Freemason Masonic Beaded Embroidery Fabric ?

I have a small piece of fabric 5x5? that has embroidered glass and metal beads on it of masonic symbols. The symbols look like a sword with a bird and the other is the compass symbol? It is heavy and I think some beads are metal because it looks like they have stained the back of the fabric. I cant find anything even close to what this looks like anywhere. I don't have pics now but will try to get some. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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Pictures will help a lot.

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I have never posted a pic I hope this works
[IMG]http://i34.tinypic.com/21c5vrl.jpg[/IMG]

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The Victorians frequently made beaded embrodieries, actually from kits. (Or course, Victorian is so loose a term as to be meaningless.) My late MIL had one of Columbia, with flags and eagles that was quite wonderful.) But your photo is a bit fuzzy, and I'm not really getting the Masonic symbols. A sword isn't a typical Masonic icon.
Where did you get it? At that size, it could have been intended for a pincushion (finished and stuffed, obviously).

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I apologize for the poor quality of picture. Only had phone available for a quick picture. I actually got this at Goodwill a few months ago. In person it is very quite vibrant, the left side of embroidery shown in pic which is actually the top of the fabric looks like a masonic icon in person. Do you think it is very old. I really have been trying to find out what this is since i got it.
Thanks

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With the photo rotated, looks like an animal in the top of the photo, and a pair of hands holding something in the bottom ~ think something like "Your in good hands with Allstate"....lol

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http://s609.photobucket.com/albums/tt172/jaklom3/

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Thank you for taking time to look at pics and sharing information. I very much appreciate it!! I hope the 2nd pic shows images and colors more clearly.

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It's a piece of fabric that someone beaded, probably intending to make a purse out of (b beaded fabric is not good for a pincushion)....you bought someone's unfinished project.
I think the design looks a little like a fraternity or sorority pin...and the other part likely symbols of a Greek Society.
Perhaps someone was making a purse as a gift for her pledge sister?
Just one scenario.
I also see no Masonic significance.
Linda C

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thank you for all your help

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Oh a purse! That makes sense. Where did you get it?

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I purchased this at Goodwill. I did discover that the symbols are Freemason or Masonic symbols. The top one show a compass and the bottom is a called Scimitar or Arabic Sword. I still have no idea what it would be used for. Aprons worn by the Freemasons were silk I think. I will probably frame it. This has been driving me crazy since I got it because I haven't come across anything like it.

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tHE BEST WAY TO TAKE A "PICTURE" OT THIS IS TO LAY IT ON A FLATBED SCANNER AND "SCAN TO FILE". (sorry, cat helping) My dad was a high-ranking mason, and some of his books may have the symbols. It could also be DeMolay, Eastern Star or frat/sorority symbols. But we need a really good picture of them. The fabric looks like the sort of needlepoint canvas that is meant to be appliqued onto things - often used for beading.

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Compass, Square and Scimitar! DUH! Shriners! The children's hospital Masons, the ones with the funny hats. Their symbol is a scimitar with a dangling crescent moon and a star dangling from that.

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Boy...if there's a compass and a scimitar in there I can't see it! Looks to me like a bird on a branch over an automatic rifle...LOL! and the shield shaped half looks like many fraternity pins.
Try scanning it for us...
Linda C

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I will try to scan it to get a better quality pic of the front and back. The fabric is very thin but has a rough feeling to it. This little piece of fabric with these beads is pretty heavy. The back of it has discoloration (rust stains?) from only the silver beads from the top symbol and thats why I assumed that were some sort of metal. Someone mentioned to me that the red white and blue border might represent it being American. I very much appreciate everyone's input and will try to get better pics tomorrow.

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Here are the scanned pics of the front and back. Thanks!
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[IMG]http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt172/jaklom3/101509scan1.jpg[/IMG]

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Correct Link to scanned pictures I hope

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I've stared, squinted and glared but still can't see a scimitar. I might be persuaded that that thing on Bullwinkles head is a compass but I don't know for sure. It still looks like Bullwinkle to me. But then, I can never see the human form people see in screen doors, hamburger patties or someones freckle. So what do I know? Nada.

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I could not find my magnifying glass but from what I can see it is not a Masonic symbol.Just my opinion.
Lois

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jaklom3....you mention that you discovered the symbols were Masonic or Freemason so are we just trying to discover what this piece of cloth would have been used for? If so, my guess is that it was a covering for a 'souvenir' type pillow ~ MHO.

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Hope these come out bigger, I took the liberty of zooming/cropping, because Bullwinkle zoomed in looks like a crude 'fox' or some other animal at the top, no idea what red section is, then perhaps a horse head at bottom (I see distinct ears at top of 'horse' head when it's reversed as in final photo below). Wanted you all to see it zoomed as I did, see what you get. Sort of like an ink blot test, eh? ;) Have no idea what it all means, tho! Upper section


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I can see the compass and square in the upper panel. I could always see the scimitar but now that you have flipped the panel 180 degrees, what I thought was a bird, now looks like a moose. LOL. That is a crescent moon.

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How about instead if focusing on secret societies we thing "Indian" as in Tinglit, or Chippawa or Athabascan of some sort....could that crescent moon be a canoe? and the "moose" really a moose?

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I even researched "Loyal Order of the Moose" symbols....but came up empty handed.....LOL ~ their moose looks like a moose.

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I still think it's a Masonic crest. The panel with the compass and square, appears to be lain against a Keystone. That is a symbol sometimes used to mark a Grand Master. You can see it on gravestones of Masons who held that postion. Red/Yellow/Green is also the what you'll find in a Shriner's Flag. This looks to be the basic pattern in the beaded work, but with borders, and inclusions of red/white/blue. The scimitar, over the crescent over a star is the typical Shriner emblem, but some groups used animals, instead of the star. One site I looked through had two bears under the upside down crescent. This could be a horse, or another animal with symbolic meaning.

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I went to a site that had items with masonic symbols on them. I can see the compass and and square but all the ones shown had a G in the middle and I'm not sure what that is on this one. The ones with the scimitar and crescent moon did indeed have a star in the middle and the moon was more complete, more of a circle. There wasn't one with an animal instead but that doesn't mean this site had all examples. Anyway, I can see where these might be masonic symbols but they really are hard to decipher. The workmanship seems to be exquisite if they are handmade, which I assume they are. Wonder what you can do with them.

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I don't know where you live, but if you are on the East Coast, take the fabric to one of the Masonic Temples. Philadelphia or Alexandria, VA both have temples that offer tours and have historians on staff-there are certainly people there who could tell you what you have or direct your search. I would guess that most large cities have resources such as these.