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I'd like to try and collect some data on TYN fixed point redemptions. Is there anyone else out there that has been successful at getting a ticket booked that wasn't the cheapest itinerary in the market at the time of your purchase? If so, I'd like to know the airlines, routings, price differential, advance purchase time and any other information that you think might be helpful. Hopefully we can get a sense of the "range of play" we have in selecting itineraries. I am specifically interested in international travel, but domestic itineraries would also be good to track.
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and what is this for? How will a "range help you? Pls explain in more detail and then you might get some help.....
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and what is this for? How will a "range help you? Pls explain in more detail and then you might get some help.....
. . .ahh, presumably so that the OP can look at expedia results and the prices of various carriers and "eyeball" the likelyhood that TYN might allow him to select a carrier that is offering close to the lowest price while not necessarily being the cheapest.
Post seems clear to me.
From my experience, they've only offered the cheapest option that is listed via an expedia.com search. YMMV.
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. . .ahh, presumably so that the OP can look at expedia results and the prices of various carriers and "eyeball" the likelyhood that TYN might allow him to select a carrier that is offering close to the lowest price while not necessarily being the cheapest.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Several people have mentioned something like this working for them in the main redemptions thread, but there isn't really any data to back it up. I figure that I can't be the only one who might benefit from this data, hence the new thread to try and collect the information into one place.
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ahhh...ok....why don't you just try calling to TYN and asking for a ticket 15days out? They gaurantee you a ticket as long as it is 14 days with a Sat night stay...so try 15, 20, 30, 60, 90 and see what you get....I would be willing to try a dec ticket if you want to India in J...again they will not get you fare class info...
It would make sense that if they are looking for the cheapest carrier, then as the time got closer, they would have to pay the ticket price at that time...which is a 14 day advance purchase fare....plus their discounts from expedia and the airlines....
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ahhh...ok....why don't you just try calling to TYN and asking for a ticket 15days out? They gaurantee you a ticket as long as it is 14 days with a Sat night stay...so try 15, 20, 30, 60, 90 and see what you get....I would be willing to try a dec ticket if you want to India in J...again they will not get you fare class info...
It would make sense that if they are looking for the cheapest carrier, then as the time got closer, they would have to pay the ticket price at that time...which is a 14 day advance purchase fare....plus their discounts from expedia and the airlines....
I basically agree with your logic here, and I'll extend it a bit further. In theory, this practice has a good chance of netting you B or Y class seats if you wait until 15 days out for an economy class award internationally simply due to availability of fare buckets.
However, this isn't the issue that I am attempting to gather data on. I'm looking for cases where TYN demonstrated flexibility in allowing the redeemer to select tickets that were more expensive.
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I basically agree with your logic here, and I'll extend it a bit further. In theory, this practice has a good chance of netting you B or Y class seats if you wait until 15 days out for an economy class award internationally simply due to availability of fare buckets.
However, this isn't the issue that I am attempting to gather data on. I'm looking for cases where TYN demonstrated flexibility in allowing the redeemer to select tickets that were more expensive.
That is always there....they just say that there is nothing available...this is what you do....tell therm you do not want the fist choice, go the second, third, fourth....so forth...
When I booked my parents ticket to CPH -- I had the followowing choice:
ELP-ORD-LHR-CPH via AA/BA
ELP-DFW-LHR-FRA-CPH via AA/LH
Chose AA/BA since there was one less connection....of course they never offered me the BA option first....they gave me the LH option.....I aksed for the next option, and that is what I booked....
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...tell them you do not want the first choice, go the second, third, fourth....so forth...
I think it's understood that the cardholder can reject the first offer and ask for another and another if the fares are the same, the question is whether you can reject the least expensive carrier, routing or time and choose another that is more expensive, and if so "how much" more expensive?
For example Expedia shows these business class fares for NYC-LON on 28 April 2007 (return 5 May)...
$2628 Delta
$2640 American
$2648 Continental
Would they buy the Continental or American ticket rather than the Delta ticket? The difference is less than 1%.
Another example, Expedia shows these business class fares from WAS-LON on the same dates...
$2531 Icelandair (BWI-KEF-LHR)
$4366 United (IAD-LHR)
Icelandair is clearly inferior, their business class is very much the same as other carriers' premium economy with 38" seat pitch, and the routing is less attractive, but would they pay 72.5% more? I think not, and this is a pretty good illustration of the danger of waiting until the last minute to book premium class travel though this program. They guarantee you "a" ticket, but is it a ticket you would actually be willing to use?
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I think not, and this is a pretty good illustration of the danger of waiting until the last minute to book premium class travel though this program. They guarantee you "a" ticket, but is it a ticket you would actually be willing to use?
This is what I am talking about....for domestic bookings, it is ok to wait till the last minute especially if you fly aa/ua a lot....this way your chances for an a better fare class is better....
but for intl....it is better to book ahead....better choic of airlines/routing and availability....
For my intl tickets, I know that I will be travelling at least six months in advance, so I plan ahead and once I get the routing I want, I pull the trigger...
Since I do not plan on using my points for domestic, I really do not care what fare it is booked in...as they all earn miles especially with AA...
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This is what I am talking about....for domestic bookings, it is ok to wait till the last minute especially if you fly aa/ua a lot....this way your chances for an a better fare class is better....
but for intl....it is better to book ahead....better choic of airlines/routing and availability....
For my intl tickets, I know that I will be travelling at least six months in advance, so I plan ahead and once I get the routing I want, I pull the trigger...
Since I do not plan on using my points for domestic, I really do not care what fare it is booked in...as they all earn miles especially with AA...
anaggie, I think you are missing the point of the OP's question.
Stated another way: for a fixed point cost of 25k Thank You Points, how much "play" do you get from the redemption center? We know they will give you the cheapest ticket available. Will they give you the 2nd cheapest ticket if it is $10 more? Or $50 more? Or $100 more?
I think it's hard to collect the data the OP wants, because I don't even call the TY redemption center unless the flight I want is the cheapest available. But if I ever do get this info, I'll post it.
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Here's some recent data:
On a recent 25,000 domestic award I booked from XXX to XXX there were only two routings that came up on expedia. One came up as $680 the other routing came up as $711. They allowed me to pick either option.
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I have a LOT of experience with TYPs.
Basically, if the price is similar, you will probably be given options. But I have not seen a pattern where I can say, if is within X dollars, you can have it.
I have gotten a domestic ticket that was $50 more with them, but the cheapest had an extra connection.
I have also been offering internation options where there was a price different of around $100 between them...but in another case, they would not give a $100 difference option.
If the price is similar, you can probably do it...call, and ask for your specific itinerary.
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I have a LOT of experience with TYPs.
Basically, if the price is similar, you will probably be given options. But I have not seen a pattern where I can say, if is within X dollars, you can have it.
I have gotten a domestic ticket that was $50 more with them, but the cheapest had an extra connection.
I have also been offering internation options where there was a price different of around $100 between them...but in another case, they would not give a $100 difference option.
If the price is similar, you can probably do it...call, and ask for your specific itinerary.
exactly. Perhaps in the redemption thread one can post/ask what were the choices given and what was expedia charging at that time to see the spread. However this intel seems not be too useful given that the "range" of awards will variably be small therefore even if we nail down what the "range" is, its sort of useless to the whole premise of the program. Nickel and diming is sure an FT mantra but when it matters... in this case its fruitless.
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exactly. Perhaps in the redemption thread one can post/ask what were the choices given and what was expedia charging at that time to see the spread. However this intel seems not be too useful given that the "range" of awards will variably be small therefore even if we nail down what the "range" is, its sort of useless to the whole premise of the program. Nickel and diming is sure an FT mantra but when it matters... in this case its fruitless.
this is where I think that the FT matra does not work....you are given a free ticket on which you can earn miles, and possibly upgrade...what the HELL more do you need?
who cares about a "range"...as long as you get whre you are going FOR FREE, why go deeper?
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this is where I think that the FT matra does not work....you are given a free ticket on which you can earn miles, and possibly upgrade...what the HELL more do you need?
who cares about a "range"...as long as you get whre you are going FOR FREE, why go deeper?
Well said^
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this is where I think that the FT matra does not work....you are given a free ticket on which you can earn miles, and possibly upgrade...what the HELL more do you need?
who cares about a "range"...as long as you get whre you are going FOR FREE, why go deeper?
I care. For example taxes on BA ticket ORD-LHR-BOM will probably be significantly higher than say on a DL ticket ORD-JFK-BOM. Also the BA ticket might significantly fewer miles (both elite and redeemable) than the DL ticket.
Other reasons can be better timings, shorter lay overs, etc.
No doubt the ThankYou rewards program is significantly better than most (if not all) reward programs but I see no harm in trying to optimize it's use.
Whether we do that or not I can be almost certain they will change the rules as time progresses.
Just my 2 cents :)
Piyush
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this is where I think that the FT matra does not work....you are given a free ticket on which you can earn miles, and possibly upgrade...what the HELL more do you need?
who cares about a "range"...as long as you get whre you are going FOR FREE, why go deeper?
I care because if I end up on AA, I'm going to be sitting coach in the back of the bus; whereas if I get a flight on NW, I have a good chance of sitting in F, getting elite pre-boarding, and/or getting preferred seating in Y. All that makes a difference in the quality of my flight experience.
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I care because if I end up on AA, I'm going to be sitting coach in the back of the bus; whereas if I get a flight on NW, I have a good chance of sitting in F, getting elite pre-boarding, and/or getting preferred seating in Y. All that makes a difference in the quality of my flight experience.
agreed, but that all depends from where you are flying....if you flying out of somewhere which is domintaed by NW, then more than likely you will get a NW ticket first....now if you are flying out of DFW, then yes you would get AA first, but then if your base is DFW, then you are probably elite on AA...
Come on people, this is not rocket science !!!!
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I care. For example taxes on BA ticket ORD-LHR-BOM will probably be significantly higher than say on a DL ticket ORD-JFK-BOM. Also the BA ticket might significantly fewer miles (both elite and redeemable) than the DL ticket.
Other reasons can be better timings, shorter lay overs, etc.
No doubt the ThankYou rewards program is significantly better than most (if not all) reward programs but I see no harm in trying to optimize it's use.
Whether we do that or not I can be almost certain they will change the rules as time progresses.
Just my 2 cents :)
Piyush
Now to answer your concern,
First -- we were discussing domestic tickets....now you are talking intl which is entirely a different mindset....
second -- with intl, you should get your tickets as soon as you know your plans, and as MIA suggested, you would not want to fly Icelandic Air....
So, ORD-LHR-BOM, will more than likely net you a BA ticket rather than a DL ticket...
With intl, I have learned to plan in advance as there is a lot more availability of routings/carriers/less layovers and so forth....
in fact last yr, I was looking for a ticket for my wife and kid in J to BOM, and did not like any of the routings offered as they required a change of airport, but I got lucky...they offered me a ticket from ELP-ORD-LHR-BOM and all with BA flight number so no worry about baggage. I got the ticket thru the Coupon Connnection, but I chose the same route as this was much more desirable.
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For example Expedia shows these business class fares for NYC-LON on 28 April 2007 (return 5 May)...
$2628 Delta
$2640 American
$2648 Continental
Would they buy the Continental or American ticket rather than the Delta ticket? The difference is less than 1%.Can someone confirm that this example holds water, I thought that you were able to specify the exact airport you wanted, i.e., you would specify JFK-LGW (Delta), JFK-LHR (American), or EWR-LGW (Continental), they don't force you to go to JFK if you want to fly out of EWR or go into LGW if you want to go into LHR, can someone confirm this?
Another example, Expedia shows these business class fares from WAS-LON on the same dates...
$2531 Icelandair (BWI-KEF-LHR)
$4366 United (IAD-LHR)
Icelandair is clearly inferior, their business class is very much the same as other carriers' premium economy with 38" seat pitch, and the routing is less attractive, but would they pay 72.5% more? I think not, and this is a pretty good illustration of the danger of waiting until the last minute to book premium class travel though this program. They guarantee you "a" ticket, but is it a ticket you would actually be willing to use?Same thing, this would easily be avoided by flying out of IAD instead of BWI, I don't think TYN is going to make someone in Baltimore get to IAD to catch a flight.
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Now to answer your concern,
First -- we were discussing domestic tickets....now you are talking intl which is entirely a different mindset....
second -- with intl, you should get your tickets as soon as you know your plans, and as MIA suggested, you would not want to fly Icelandic Air....
So, ORD-LHR-BOM, will more than likely net you a BA ticket rather than a DL ticket...
With intl, I have learned to plan in advance as there is a lot more availability of routings/carriers/less layovers and so forth....
in fact last yr, I was looking for a ticket for my wife and kid in J to BOM, and did not like any of the routings offered as they required a change of airport, but I got lucky...they offered me a ticket from ELP-ORD-LHR-BOM and all with BA flight number so no worry about baggage. I got the ticket thru the Coupon Connnection, but I chose the same route as this was much more desirable.I didn't think stopovers were allowed. In this case, if you want to go ELP-BOM it could be on any airline ... LHR was specific to your itinerary, but they're not going to let you connect through LHR just because you may want to (and really you probably wouldn't because of the UK's higher taxes).
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I had a good experience using this program for the 1st time today using the fixed point option.
CSR was very pleasant and helped me get my preffered airline & although I didn't get a non-stop on the outbound flight I did get good times, and I scored my 1st choice for a non-stop on the return flight.
So they will work with you some what. I had previously called on Sat and the choices were NOT good. They said inventories change daily. I'm glad I waited a couple days
This was for 3 tix, MSP-FLL 12/15 return 12/22 (pre-christmas weekend)
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I care. For example taxes on BA ticket ORD-LHR-BOM will probably be significantly higher than say on a DL ticket ORD-JFK-BOM. Also the BA ticket might significantly fewer miles (both elite and redeemable) than the DL ticket.
Other reasons can be better timings, shorter lay overs, etc.
No doubt the ThankYou rewards program is significantly better than most (if not all) reward programs but I see no harm in trying to optimize it's use.
Whether we do that or not I can be almost certain they will change the rules as time progresses.
Just my 2 cents :)
Piyush
Now to answer your concern,
First -- we were discussing domestic tickets....now you are talking intl which is entirely a different mindset....
second -- with intl, you should get your tickets as soon as you know your plans, and as MIA suggested, you would not want to fly Icelandic Air....
So, ORD-LHR-BOM, will more than likely net you a BA ticket rather than a DL ticket...
With intl, I have learned to plan in advance as there is a lot more availability of routings/carriers/less layovers and so forth....
Yes, international tickets are a different mindset but I still think it makes sense to discuss it in this thread since the OP specifically mentioned that he was interested in international tickets!!!
I agree it makes sense to plan in advance "IF" possible. Is your comment in regards to more availability a general statement or for the use of Thank You points?
Currently on some of the dates I am looking at BA is not the cheapest option which is great because I don't want to fly BA but on some other dates it is the cheapest option with Delta being next at $ 50 - $ 100 more per ticket. I would rather fly DL for the reasons stated above.
I think what the OP was trying to do (OP please correct me if I'm wrong) was to see if there is a certain amount of leeway that they give you. From the postings on this thread it seems like there is nothing set in stone and it varies on a case by case basis. I will post my experience if/when I book my ticket using Thank You Points.
Hopefully it will prove to be helpful to some people.
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agreed, but that all depends from where you are flying....if you flying out of somewhere which is domintaed by NW, then more than likely you will get a NW ticket first....now if you are flying out of DFW, then yes you would get AA first, but then if your base is DFW, then you are probably elite on AA...
Come on people, this is not rocket science !!!!
Actually many times it will be cheaper to fly on an airline that you have to connect on and not the one you are hub captive of. It could very well be that you are located in MSP but it will be cheaper to fly MSP-ATL-XXX than MSP-XXX.
If you have status on the airline that flies MSP-XXX you might normally pay the extra $ 20 or $ 50 for the convenience as well as miles. Since you cannot pay the fair difference when using TY Points you might have wait a few days to see if the MSP-XXX flight becomes cheaper. Of course you run the risk of getting stuck with a route that is inferior to the options you had before.
I do agree with you that this is not "rocket science"
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Can someone confirm that this example holds water, I thought that you were able to specify the exact airport you wanted, i.e., you would specify JFK-LGW (Delta), JFK-LHR (American), or EWR-LGW (Continental), they don't force you to go to JFK if you want to fly out of EWR or go into LGW if you want to go into LHR, can someone confirm this?
Same thing, this would easily be avoided by flying out of IAD instead of BWI, I don't think TYN is going to make someone in Baltimore get to IAD to catch a flight.
I think this is a great idea if it works. I was actually trying to use some nearby airports to the one I actually wanted to fly from and by doing that it gave me some better routings. I will post back my results once I have called the redemption center.
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Can someone confirm that this example holds water, I thought that you were able to specify the exact airport you wanted, i.e., you would specify JFK-LGW (Delta), JFK-LHR (American), or EWR-LGW (Continental), they don't force you to go to JFK if you want to fly out of EWR or go into LGW if you want to go into LHR, can someone confirm this?
You can specify your airport to fly in and out of.....
Same thing, this would easily be avoided by flying out of IAD instead of BWI, I don't think TYN is going to make someone in Baltimore get to IAD to catch a flight.
no....people are taking this too far...it is not that hard....
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I think this is a great idea if it works. I was actually trying to use some nearby airports to the one I actually wanted to fly from and by doing that it gave me some better routings. I will post back my results once I have called the redemption center.
you can specify any airport you want...they don't care as long as it is in the Continental US....so if you are at ORD, but are driving to LAX and want to fly from there...go right ahead....Thank You Network does not care....
so, in your case, try finding the airport that has DL as a hub and then go from there...
in my case, since I live in ELP, I can fly from here to any major airport...so sometimes it is easier for me just to say DFW-BOM or LAX-BOM instead of ELP-BOM as I have free WN tickets....
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you can specify any airport you want...they don't care as long as it is in the Continental US....
True, but it does not address the question. Certain markets are served by more than one airport, and if interchangeable for fare purposes these are called coterminals. In the example I posted a few days ago, New York City is served by several airports including JFK, LGA, EWR; likewise London is served by LHR, LGW, STN. Even though there is no airport with the code NYC or LON you can search for fares using those codes, and even if you search for JFK some systems will return fares using EWR.
In my example I assumed that Expedia would offer the lowest fare between any two "New York City" and "London" coterminals without regard to the actual airports. Beckles is suggesting that it might be possible for the cardholder to insist on a specific airport pair, rather than a city pair. If this were true it could be a way to avoid undesireable carriers, routings or times.
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True, but it does not address the question. Certain markets are served by more than one airport, and if interchangeable for fare purposes these are called coterminals. In the example I posted a few days ago, New York City is served by several airports including JFK, LGA, EWR; likewise London is served by LHR, LGW, STN. Even though there is no airport with the code NYC or LON you can search for fares using those codes, and even if you search for JFK some systems will return fares using EWR.
In my example I assumed that Expedia would offer the lowest fare between any two "New York City" and "London" coterminals without regard to the actual airports. Beckles is suggesting that it might be possible for the cardholder to insist on a specific airport pair, rather than a city pair. If this were true it could be a way to avoid undesireable carriers, routings or times.
Right, so when one calls them, one should know what airport a certain carrier flies into to maintain loyalty to that airline...
if you want CO/DL, you would choose EWR, not JFK and so forth....correct???
So why is this so confusing? Maybe I am confused....I just don't get what the big deal is....
If you have status on one airline and want to maintain it, you would just pick an airport from that carrier is based, correct....
In all my redemptions, I have never had a TYN CSR tell me another airport other than the one of my choice and I have always had multiple flights offered to me....but maybe that is because I only use TYN for intl and never domestic....
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Beckles is suggesting that it might be possible for the cardholder to insist on a specific airport pair, rather than a city pair. If this were true it could be a way to avoid undesireable carriers, routings or times.I would be quite disappointed in TYN if that was not the case, esepcially for the two examples given, JFK and EWR and IAD and BWI. LHR/LGW I would be less disappointed if they made you accept those as the same, but I kind of doubt they do none-the-less.
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So why is this so confusing? Maybe I am confused....I just don't get what the big deal is....
There is no confusion, merely ambiguity. Citi says "You will get a ticket on the date you want to travel - if a seat is available.", but they do not promise to use the carrier, routing, or times that you prefer if the cost is higher. I think it is likely that they will offer a coterminal routing if it is less expensive. Selecting a coterminal is no different, from Expedia's perspective, than changing the carrier, time of depature or connecting airport.
Even if they do allow you to specify airport pairs, it doesn't change the fundamental problem. If you are able to specify JFK-LHR (the route served by AA, BA and VS) there is also less expensive business class service offered by Icelandair and Air India.
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There is no confusion, merely ambiguity. Citi says "You will get a ticket on the date you want to travel - if a seat is available.", but they do not promise to use the carrier, routing, or times that you prefer if the cost is higher. I think it is likely that they will offer a coterminal routing if it is less expensive. Selecting a coterminal is no different, from Expedia's perspective, than changing the carrier, time of depature or connecting airport.
Even if they do allow you to specify airport pairs, it doesn't change the fundamental problem. If you are able to specify JFK-LHR (the route served by AA, BA and VS) there is also less expensive business class service offered by Icelandair and Air India.
And in fact, TYN does offer a lot of AI codeshared flights which if you ask who it is operated by, it is more than likely operated by AA/BA....so then it is really not a bad deal....you would still earn AA miles and get the AA service and not AI service....
sometimes from LAX it is operated by SQ, but it is AI codeshare.....so again not a bad deal....
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Two days ago, I redeemed 60,000 points for a flight EWR-ATH, 7/30-9/10. The cheapest option on Expedia was on Alitalia/KLM, with one stop each way, costing 942 (ticket) + 133 (taxes) = $1075 total. Nevertheless, the most helpful CSR did not hesitate to offer the option of Continental, which was non-stop and whose price was 1130 + 106 = $1236. I gladly accepted the offer, of course.
Thus, I got non-stop flights, with very convenient schedules, and paid less in taxes, even though the ticket itself was 20% more expensive than the cheapest option. Isn't TYN great? :D
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first of all, welcome to Flyertalk!
great value on the redemption. TYN is perfect for peak summer travel, as you discovered.
Your data point that TYN purchased a ticket that was $200 more expensive is also useful. I think I've seen that TYN tends NOT to offer mixed-carrier routing, even if it's the cheapest available at expedia.com; so then they offer the least expensive single-carrier option. Was CO the cheapest single-carrier flight when you made your booking?
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TYN tends NOT to offer mixed-carrier routing, even if it's the cheapest available at expedia.com; so then they offer the least expensive single-carrier option.
Might also be that Expedia obtains a higher rebate from USA based carriers, and changing from AZ/KL to CO actually lowered their cost, not necessarily on that specific trip but they may have an annual volume incentive.
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I tried something this week... went on the TYN variable-point website (powered by Expedia) and put an itinerary on hold at 33,400 points. Then I called the TYN travel line. I got a very nice woman and referenced my Expedia itinerary (hoping, of course, that she would book it at the fixed-point level). She said she would be happy to, but that the fixed point and variable-point awards were on different systems, and that the fixed-point system was not giving her that option (it was a FlyerTalk-style multi-multi-multi leg itinerary :) at nearly the same price as the non-stops).
Oh well... it was worth a try. :)
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I think I've seen that TYN tends NOT to offer mixed-carrier routing, even if it's the cheapest available at expedia.com; so then they offer the least expensive single-carrier option.
In fact, AZ/KL was the first option I was offered. Thus, it would seem that TYN has no taboos against mixed-carrier routing if it will save them $$$.
Was CO the cheapest single-carrier flight when you made your booking?
Although this question isn't so important, given the above, I do remember from my search in Expedia that the answer is no. A KLM-only ticket would have cost 1033 + 135 = $1168, but it didn't come up at all during my conversation with the CSR.
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Thank you for taking the time to post the additional details, this is very helpful because the published terms of the Fixed Flight option are so sparse.
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I wonder if they have access to consolidator fares, particularly internationally. That might help them save more money.
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I wonder if they have access to consolidator fares, particularly internationally. That might help them save more money.
except consolidator fares often/usually don't earn FF miles and yet every ticket anyone has ever reported here has been in a 'regular' fare class and has earned miles.
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except consolidator fares often/usually don't earn FF miles and yet every ticket anyone has ever reported here has been in a 'regular' fare class and has earned miles.
Yes, consolidator fares are hit or miss on miles from what I hear; but every one that I have ever booked has earned miles.
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Two days ago, I redeemed 60,000 points for a flight EWR-ATH, 7/30-9/10. The cheapest option on Expedia was on Alitalia/KLM, with one stop each way, costing 942 (ticket) + 133 (taxes) = $1075 total. Nevertheless, the most helpful CSR did not hesitate to offer the option of Continental, which was non-stop and whose price was 1130 + 106 = $1236. I gladly accepted the offer, of course.
Thus, I got non-stop flights, with very convenient schedules, and paid less in taxes, even though the ticket itself was 20% more expensive than the cheapest option. Isn't TYN great? :D
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That's great. Thanks for posting!