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Post all info about the v2 and possible v3 here. Has anyone recieved the invitation for the v2 yet? Any updates as to rewards?
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Citi spokesperson said 1Q and to call back in a couple of weeks when I spoke to her on Wed.
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Well Esquir, you must have had a premonition starting this thread!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=599
Just for recording keeping post 1 is post 429.
and post 2 is post 430.
I don't get the FT'ers on the airline boards.
They discuss realairlines?
They ought to start discussing speculative carriers
To be serious I do understand the psychological appeal of chatting about a non existent program.
I'm outta here. Have a nice week end all!
Peace.
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Well since the last thread has been closed...due to a poster getting personal...
no new info on the eyt....Patience is a virtue....
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Well Esquir, you must have had a premonition starting this thread!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=599
Just for recording keeping post 1 is post 429.
and post 2 is post 430.
Hello,
I think it's an excellent idea to have an easy link to the previous thread. I was able to find it using the link that you supplied, but I thought it might be just as easy to have a link directly to the thread URL itself.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615342&page=29
- SR
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Hello,
Any recent update on the v2? Based on the previous posts by various people I think that I may just stick with my Amex Plat / v1 combo. This would be vs v1 / v2 or vs just v2.
- SR
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I would really like to know about the warranty extension associated with the new card. I am in line to buy about 800K worth of computer systems for my offices and will put them on Centurion (adds 3 yrs to a max. 5 yr OEM warranty), which thus grants an 8 yr warranty. The V1 only adds 1 to a 12 mo or less OEM warranty (terrible); even the consumer grade AMEX (blue, et al) adds 1 yr to a OEM of 5 yrs or less...
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in line to buy about 800K worth of computer systems for my offices and will put them on Centurion (adds 3 yrs to a max. 5 yr OEM warranty), which thus grants an 8 yr warranty...
You probably already know about the restrictions, but others may not...
"The Buyer's Assurance Plan cannot pay more than the actual amount charged to your Card for the item or $10,000;not to exceed $50,000 per Cardmember account per policy year for all Occurrences combined...If you buy an additional service contract or an extended warranty for a computer, computer component or part that already comes with an original U.S. Manufacturer’s warranty, unless such coverage is provided from and
administered by the original manufacturer, coverage under the Buyer’s Assurance Plan does not apply."
https://www124.americanexpress.com/cards/benefits/includes/pdf/buyersAssurance2003.pdf
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Hello,
Any recent update on the v2? Based on the previous posts by various people I think that I may just stick with my Amex Plat / v1 combo. This would be vs v1 / v2 or vs just v2.
- SR
I am probably goiong to stick with v1 instead of v2....unless they give the same point earning capability, AA PLat, and the MC as secondary card for free....
If the V2 does not come with Flight points...there is no way in hell I would apply for that card...unless they give 2 pts per $ spent...
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I am probably goiong to stick with v1 instead of v2....unless they give the same point earning capability, AA PLat, and the MC as secondary card for free....
If the V2 does not come with Flight points...there is no way in hell I would apply for that card...unless they give 2 pts per $ spent...
Hello anaggie,
Thinking more about it, I think the question for me is going to be is the v2 better than the Amex Plat? I need one Amex, one MC, and one Visa.
Currently -
Visa: Some random Chase Visa that I never use.
MC: v1
Amex: Plat
After v2 -
Visa: Some random Chase Visa that I never use.
MC: v1
Amex: Plat
I just don't see that the v2 is a $600+ better card than the Plat Amex.
- SR
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I would really like to know about the warranty extension associated with the new card. I am in line to buy about 800K worth of computer systems for my offices and will put them on Centurion (adds 3 yrs to a max. 5 yr OEM warranty), which thus grants an 8 yr warranty. The V1 only adds 1 to a 12 mo or less OEM warranty (terrible); even the consumer grade AMEX (blue, et al) adds 1 yr to a OEM of 5 yrs or less...
You are able to post a 800k transaction on your Chairman card??? I have a six figure line and frankly could not likely get any transaction approved recently beyond 150K. How do you plan on getting the charge approval?
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I called Chairman customer service yesterday. I asked if there was any news about the new card. I was told that the schedule for release of the new card had changed. Does anyone have the scoop on this?
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Did they tell you to what date it had been changed?
I called Chairman customer service yesterday. I asked if there was any news about the new card. I was told that the schedule for release of the new card had changed. Does anyone have the scoop on this?
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I would really like to know about the warranty extension associated with the new card. I am in line to buy about 800K worth of computer systems for my offices and will put them on Centurion (adds 3 yrs to a max. 5 yr OEM warranty), which thus grants an 8 yr warranty. The V1 only adds 1 to a 12 mo or less OEM warranty (terrible); even the consumer grade AMEX (blue, et al) adds 1 yr to a OEM of 5 yrs or less...
1- Is your black card personal or corp.?
2-You mentioned that you were an additional card holder on your Dad's account.
Thus I think that the only way you could contend that you have coverage is if:
1-It's your Dad's LLC, not yours.
2-The card is a corp. Centurion and not a personal Centurion.
More importantly, do you really think that the lifespan of a computer system is more than 5 years??
Manufacturer's warranty does not cover obsolesces.
Your industry is in a state of flux.
Billing issues and medical technology may change a lot in five years.
What do you consider the useful life span of this capital expenditure?
Are you being overly optimistic?
I think that the inntent of the program is to cover Joe six pack and Sally Consumer's $120 electric blender. Good luck collecting on eight hundred grand of sophisticated medical equiptment.
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1- Is your black card personal or corp.?
2-You mentioned that you were an additional card holder on your Dad's account.
Thus I think that the only way you could contend that you have coverage is if:
1-It's your Dad's LLC, not yours.
2-The card is a corp. Centurion and not a personal Centurion.
More importantly, do you really think that the lifespan of a computer system is more than 5 years??
Manufacturer's warranty does not cover obsolesces.
Your industry is in a state of flux.
Billing issues and medical technology may change a lot in five years.
What do you consider the useful life span of this capital expenditure?
Are you being overly optimistic?
I think that the inntent of the program is to cover Joe six pack and Sally Consumer's $120 electric blender. Good luck collecting on eight hundred grand of sophisticated medical equiptment.
Agree entirely...with the continued diluation of beneifts by Centurion, I can just imagine their amazement when they review the claim form for a 800k claim!
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What a swath of replies – I was merely asking what people thought about the warranty associated with the NEW Chairman. Nevertheless, I will answer questions. Card is Corporate not personal. This is not for my medical practice per se, but for a biotechnology/biopharmaceutical startup. Dad is the VC behind it and is chairman of board. I am the president of medical operations and clinical research, etc. The equipment being ordered are high level Opteron workstations (computers). 800K wouldn’t even buy a crappy MRI or PET scanner – we’re talking MMs for those. Regardless, the company requires a moderately significant amount of computer power for computer modeling of active sites of biomolecules (enzymes, among other things). I won’t get into more details because it is completely off-base. As for the utility of a 5 yr + 3 warranty – the opteron systems come with OEM 5 year warranties (HP); when they are obsolete (assuming the company is still in existence), they will be used for secretarial uses or something. In other words, the extra warranty is nice. Why not get something when you pay for it, right? On another note, the PAs totally f*ed up my birthday party. They are completely incompetent when it comes to NYC social life. In contrast to their “it’s booked” or “no one answered there” policy, my new quintessentially concierge was able to arrange ALL venues that I requested. So was Centurion. I would really appreciate some inside knowledge as to the NEW card’s concierge service. This is the eighth time PA’s have been unable to execute any social plans.
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"Dave702" I am sorry but I can not see where you answered your own question.
I do note that all your earlier posts are on the Subject of CREDIT CARDS and Avis discount codes.
Ifit is the case that you subsequently registered under an additional second user name, You might want to reflect on the proper decorum and etiquette.
I read that Randy wrote that there were over 100,000 registered handles.
If only 2% want to change their user-name then that is 2000 Flyertalkers.
Why would you be entitled to change before the other 2000 Flyertalkers?
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I called Chairman customer service yesterday. I asked if there was any news about the new card. I was told that the schedule for release of the new card had changed. Does anyone have the scoop on this?
Id.
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"Dave702" I am sorry but I can not see where you answered your own question.
I do note that all your earlier posts are on the Subject of CREDIT CARDS and Avis discount codes.
Ifit is the case that you subsequently registered under an additional second user name, You might want to reflect on the proper decorum and etiquette.
I read that Randy wrote that there were over 100,000 registered handles.
If only 2% want to change their user-name then that is 2000 Flyertalkers.
Why would you be entitled to change before the other 2000 Flyertalkers?
In actuality the reason for my deleted post was my own mistake. I hastily posted, and did not realize that if I would have read a previous post my question would have been answered. I deleted my question as it was a waste of space (much like this post as well). I did not realize that such a post would induce such a tirade. My suggestion is that we all stay on topic, or I am sure that this thread will be locked like the first one was. :)
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In actuality the reason for my deleted post was my own mistake. I hastily posted, and did not realize that if I would have read a previous post my question would have been answered. I deleted my question as it was a waste of space (much like this post as well). I did not realize that such a post would induce such a tirade. My suggestion is that we all stay on topic, or I am sure that this thread will be locked like the first one was. :)
Agreed. I was thinking that even a Chairman Visa would be better than an Amex. But I don't think that will ever happen.
- SR
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Hello anaggie,
Thinking more about it, I think the question for me is going to be is the v2 better than the Amex Plat? I need one Amex, one MC, and one Visa.
Currently -
Visa: Some random Chase Visa that I never use.
MC: v1
Amex: Plat
After v2 -
Visa: Some random Chase Visa that I never use.
MC: v1
Amex: Plat
I just don't see that the v2 is a $600+ better card than the Plat Amex.
- SR
Same here ...juzt do not carry an AMEX...have the V1 MC, CitiBusiness PremierPass MC, and a Chase VISA for 3 pts per $ on PC nights....
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Same here ...juzt do not carry an AMEX... ...
Why not?Don't leave home without it!
You should not be without one.
Holiday Inn might have a promo that required payment with an AX card.
You'd miss out on this.
That's why I think it's a good idea to have ALL 3 of the majors in your wallet.
Which card is on top is a matter of personal choice. I think I read once somewhere that you are partial to the Citi MC. Fine. But it can't hurt to have an AX card buried in a sock draw for the inevitable promo that will arise.
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I read some where (i think wsj) that the main reason Merrill, UBS, smith Barney and the likes have come up with cards because they realized that the maximum account transactions on Money Mart-ish accounts have been credit card payments. Apparently they realized if their clients are paying 3$ billion dollars in payments to these credit card companies regularly, they might as well just get a share in it. So there it is no wonder that Citi with V2 is aiming at that crowd. And probably rewards are also intune with it. THe problem with Citi is that it is f*cking large company, and cannot handle a whole dept for the sake of a card. So they do the obvious (contract it to AMex, which arguably has the best recognition as a highend brand). I think with Visa or MC the large amount of burden would fall on citi which is desperately trying to cut costs. So the main aim i guess (as stated in the previous thread by some one) is not exactly to come up with a successful card (for the lesser mortals) but to actually get the share of the spending by the ultra rich! Which is in line with the rumors (1K fee, vague benifits etc). Have you even heard of the UBS premier/charter redemption benifits, they are almost rediculous!!
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Why not?Don't leave home without it!
You should not be without one.
Holiday Inn might have a promo that required payment with an AX card.
You'd miss out on this.
That's why I think it's a good idea to have ALL 3 of the majors in your wallet.
Which card is on top is a matter of personal choice. I think I read once somewhere that you are partial to the Citi MC. Fine. But it can't hurt to have an AX card buried in a sock draw for the inevitable promo that will arise.
like I said earlier, if the V2 comes with certaind benefits, then yes, I wll JUMP !!!!!
But it looks like they are revamping the card since the date keeps getting pushed back...maybe all the letters to the President helped...
drbond -- anything new info??
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I read some where (i think wsj) that the main reason Merrill, UBS, smith Barney and the likes have come up with cards because they realized that the maximum account transactions on Money Mart-ish accounts have been credit card payments.
Could you please elaborate on exactly what these credit card payments are paying for? Not quite sure what Money Mart-ish means, but I'd like to learn more about this.
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Could you please elaborate on exactly what these credit card payments are paying for? Not quite sure what Money Mart-ish means, but I'd like to learn more about this.
It seems the clients use these "Cash-management accounts" - ameriprise one, UBS RMA, S&B brokerage etc, primarily as a Checking accounts, i.e. pay bills (including/mostly credit card bills etc). Two take loans against them to buy art/Jets etc. Basically do every thing other than use them to buy/sell securities (& other related stuff) for which they were meant. So these brokerage firms thought they might as well give them the creditcards and make money out of these non-revenue generating transactions. And hence the wide spread offering of credit cards by every one from E-trade to UBS! hope this helps ... i am pretty limited on the knowledge of these banking terms etc.
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Most people I know carry at least one of all three majors. However they distribute the charges among them is entirely at one's own discrretion. I have a visa signature that I haven't used in months; however, when Starbucks ran a promotion for a $25 giftcard and a pound of free coffee when purchased on Visa, I charged it...
On another note, does anyone know anything about the future of this card? I'm getting to the point where I'll strongly consider cancelling. The lack of help from VIPDESK is getting beyond belief. If I'm paying 400 for this card, I should be able to have a moderately decent concierge. The PP is redundant for me (Centurion), so the only thing I want is a decent concierge. Oh, and flight points -- they're helpful too.
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Most people I know carry at least one of all three majors. However they distribute the charges among them is entirely at one's own discrretion. I have a visa signature that I haven't used in months; however, when Starbucks ran a promotion for a $25 giftcard and a pound of free coffee when purchased on Visa, I charged it...
On another note, does anyone know anything about the future of this card? I'm getting to the point where I'll strongly consider cancelling. The lack of help from VIPDESK is getting beyond belief. If I'm paying 400 for this card, I should be able to have a moderately decent concierge. The PP is redundant for me (Centurion), so the only thing I want is a decent concierge. Oh, and flight points -- they're helpful too.
The VIPDESK is not really helpful in getting tables and so forth....it is great for people who need an assistant to get things taken care such as flight bookings and hotel changes and so forth....I use them to cancel reservation when I am out of country, use to to buy certain items, make reservations, call airlines at 1200AM to book exit seats since I am not elite on some programs...
But you have a Centurion...is that not helpful...I have heard that by flashing the "BLACK" card, you not only get a corner table, but you get an amzingly beautiful blonde who is at your command !!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Soory for the sarcasm....I still do nnot see how the comparison is between Chairman and Centurion...
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dave, you could get multiple premier pass elite cards, depending on how many airline tickets youre buying.
id suggest getting quintessentially or bluefish or mint for concierge, depending on what you feel like spending. all have additional coverage beyond cent, and have members events/parties.
or, maybe you would be accepted to Personal Concierge International.. its only $4K (vs bluefish at $5K) and only has ~125 members.
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"accepted":rolleyes:
uh, me thinks if his four grand check does not bounce that he has been "accepted".
Do you really buy this glossy marketing hyperbole?:rolleyes:
Will you be at the Freddies??
If so, I'll buy you a drink.
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there are only 125 members.
preferred group only has 30 members, with a minimum net worth of $30MM
its hard to argue with facts.
now, for InsiderNYC, JDCS, and Fischer Travel I would agree, they are designed to act like personal assistants, charge very high hourly rates, and while they might accomplish anything, they do so by simply passing on the expense to the client. (first they overpay, then they overcharge)
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I am afraid to say anything. When I do try to be helpful and tell about what is going on, someone might post another snide remark. I don't want to bother people with information that is not interesting. I will admit that the information that I post does change and in the past I posted those changes as they happened. I thought people would like to know ALL of the thoughts that were being proposed even before they were set in stone and released to the public. So I just sit here keeping my mouth shut so I don't irritate anyone else, like I apparently did in the last thread.
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I am afraid to say anything. When I do try to be helpful and tell about what is going on, someone might post another snide remark. I don't want to bother people with information that is not interesting. I will admit that the information that I post does change and in the past I posted those changes as they happened. I thought people would like to know ALL of the thoughts that were being proposed even before they were set in stone and released to the public. So I just sit here keeping my mouth shut so I don't irritate anyone else, like I apparently did in the last thread.
There are a few poeple who seem to be very much against CITI so therefore need to bring every single inaccuracy into the limelight...case in point:
1) Chairman CSR says Jan 1, 2007 for new release....then they say Q1....now it has been pushed back to Q2....certain posters have a had a field day with this...
These non-Citi posters are now holding CITI's feet to the fire....my thought is...if you do not like the card...CANCEL IT NOW.... and stop your moaning, complaining and BIT*****......they sound like a bunch of WHINERS
So drbond...any new and helpful info you have, pls pm me...for I am interested in this card...
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There are a few poeple who seem to be very much against CITI so therefore need to bring every single inaccuracy into the limelight...case in point:
1) Chairman CSR says Jan 1, 2007 for new release....then they say Q1....now it has been pushed back to Q2....certain posters have a had a field day with this...
These non-Citi posters are now holding CITI's feet to the fire....my thought is...if you do not like the card...CANCEL IT NOW.... and stop your moaning, complaining and BIT*****......they sound like a bunch of women....
So drbond...any new and helpful info you have, pls pm me...for I am interested in this card...
Hello,
I would think that the point of this thread is to get as much information as possible about the Citi Chairman card. I think we all agree that the information is incomplete right now and in a state of flux. I'm fine with people posting information that may not be accurate in a few months, but is accurate at the time of posting.
As far as drbond's posts are concerned, they are fine with me and I welcome any additional information that drbond may have.
If people are going off topic on this thread then that is what should be limited, not information about the v2.
I haven't heard anything new about the v2, but I hope that Citi has upgraded it to a degree where it is worth 1k. The current v1 is worth 400 to me.
- SR
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Why did ya'll run drbond off, I liked reading what he/she said and when I called in, everything was confirmed as true. I wish he/whe would post more information. It was some of the best information I ever got. I'm sorry he/she is not posting :td: I wish I had his/her email address.
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I too really appreciated drbond's info and would request he post any and all info he may have. I for one would rather have info subject to change rather than no info until it is too late to change. Perhaps we have had some influence on Citi adding a companion MC where if we didn't have the info until it was fully set in stone we would have no chance to pressure Citi to adapt to what people want.
I'll add my vote to asking drbond to please resume sharing any info, all of which is "subject to change".
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I too really appreciated drbond's info and would request he post any and all info he may have. I for one would rather have info subject to change rather than no info until it is too late to change. Perhaps we have had some influence on Citi adding a companion MC where if we didn't have the info until it was fully set in stone we would have no chance to pressure Citi to adapt to what people want.
I'll add my vote to asking drbond to please resume sharing any info, all of which is "subject to change".
exactly...I also think that our discussions on this board plus the letters and calls to the managment of Citi has delayed the launch....this has worked for us....hopefully for the btter...
So, drbond...pls post whatever new info you have and forget what the other posters say...
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I may kick myself for doing this.
The delay is due to the letters about not wanting an AX card for chairman. Three of the DM's are now starting to feel I may be right and that it may cost them market share by switching the product to AX. The letters are not coming anymore and some of the others are making that point. A VI will not happen as Citi is a MC OMB. I am pushing for either MC or AX with MC companion at no additional cost. I have suggested the new WE MC card for this product. I am of the opinion if they want to raise the fee, just add more services to make it value driven. I am also pushing for the ability to opt for AA and DL miles earning or a value transfer without a fee. Remember it has an annual fee so there should not be a fee for everything.
Everyone please send letters!
Office of the President; PO Box 6000; Sioux Falls, SD 57117
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...The delay is due to the letters about not wanting an AX card for chairman. Three of the DM's are now starting to feel I may be right and that it may cost them market share by switching the product to AX. The letters are not coming anymore and some of the others are making that point. ...Everyone please send letters!
Office of the President; PO Box 6000; Sioux Falls, SD 57117
This is excellent news. I will send another letter this week. Very good news indeed. If we can stop the AX maddness, then great.
I'll mention in this letter that I would rather not have any kind of AX and that I would rather just have the product stay as a MC with additional features.
- SR
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I received a reply letter from Citi that I should have posted, but did not think about it until after I had dropped it in the shredder with the rest of the day’s mail. The letter said something like “…thank you for writing to Citi…at this time your Chairman account has not been upgraded to an American Express…thank you for your concern.”
This was in response to my short note / letter explaining that I prefer to have a MasterCard or Visa product and would likely not keep my Chairman account if it were exclusively AmEx.
Did anyone else get this reply letter from Citi?
I know there is no chance of a Citi Chairman Visa, but this is my first choice by far. Visa has a more upscale image and customer base. My second choice is a Chairman account on the World Elite platform.
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Isn't the current card already on the World Mastercard platform?? My card on the back has a large World below the MC logo.
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I too really appreciated drbond's info and would request he post any and all info he may have. I for one would rather have info subject to change rather than no info until it is too late to change. Perhaps we have had some influence on Citi adding a companion MC where if we didn't have the info until it was fully set in stone we would have no chance to pressure Citi to adapt to what people want.
I'll add my vote to asking drbond to please resume sharing any info, all of which is "subject to change".
even for the amusement value, drbond bring on the updates!!!
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Isn't the current card already on the World Mastercard platform?? My card on the back has a large World below the MC logo.
The Chairman MC is a World MC. However, some people would like to see it become a World Elite MC. Personally, the World Elite platform doesn't really do a lot for me.
http://mastercard.iseatz.com/worldelite/iseatz_priceless_main.aspx
http://www.priceless.com/binvalidation/worldeliteUniqueExperiences.do
- SR
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I may kick myself for doing this.
The delay is due to the letters about not wanting an AX card for chairman. Three of the DM's are now starting to feel I may be right and that it may cost them market share by switching the product to AX. The letters are not coming anymore and some of the others are making that point. A VI will not happen as Citi is a MC OMB. I am pushing for either MC or AX with MC companion at no additional cost. I have suggested the new WE MC card for this product. I am of the opinion if they want to raise the fee, just add more services to make it value driven. I am also pushing for the ability to opt for AA and DL miles earning or a value transfer without a fee. Remember it has an annual fee so there should not be a fee for everything.
Everyone please send letters!
Office of the President; PO Box 6000; Sioux Falls, SD 57117
Thanks for the info. Thats what this thread is all about.
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I may kick myself for doing this.
The delay is due to the letters about not wanting an AX card for chairman. Three of the DM's are now starting to feel I may be right and that it may cost them market share by switching the product to AX. The letters are not coming anymore and some of the others are making that point. A VI will not happen as Citi is a MC OMB. I am pushing for either MC or AX with MC companion at no additional cost. I have suggested the new WE MC card for this product. I am of the opinion if they want to raise the fee, just add more services to make it value driven. I am also pushing for the ability to opt for AA and DL miles earning or a value transfer without a fee. Remember it has an annual fee so there should not be a fee for everything.
Everyone please send letters!
Office of the President; PO Box 6000; Sioux Falls, SD 57117
drbond-
Thanks for the update. I have already called several times and wrote them as well about this exact thing. Have not received any reply yet. Would a second letter make any difference? I'm guessing they need letters from different accounts more than additional letters from the same accounts but am happy to write/call more if it helps.
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even for the amusement value, drbond bring on the updates!!!
Are you saying that you don't find drbond's information helpful? Are you saying that you would rather drbond did not post information? Are you saying that everything that drbond posts you already know? If you could possibly say that, then you must be a know it all about citi. If that is the case why aren't you posting the information? I for one appreciate the information and comments like that is what caused a period of NO information just talk that was not based on anything. I would appreciate more information, even if it does change. Ever heard the saying "don't shoot the messenger"?
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drbond-
Thanks for the update. I have already called several times and wrote them as well about this exact thing. Have not received any reply yet. Would a second letter make any difference? I'm guessing they need letters from different accounts more than additional letters from the same accounts but am happy to write/call more if it helps.
same here...do I keep sending more letters on the one acct?
Everytime I call them, I let them know that it must have a MC secondary/some airline status -- preferably AA/all the other benefits of the original version
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I may kick myself for doing this.
The delay is due to the letters about not wanting an AX card for chairman. Three of the DM's are now starting to feel I may be right and that it may cost them market share by switching the product to AX. The letters are not coming anymore and some of the others are making that point. A VI will not happen as Citi is a MC OMB. I am pushing for either MC or AX with MC companion at no additional cost. I have suggested the new WE MC card for this product. I am of the opinion if they want to raise the fee, just add more services to make it value driven. I am also pushing for the ability to opt for AA and DL miles earning or a value transfer without a fee. Remember it has an annual fee so there should not be a fee for everything.
Everyone please send letters!
Office of the President; PO Box 6000; Sioux Falls, SD 57117
Gee , do you mean to say that Citi has delayed it relaunch and withheld using the Amex platform on the basis of perhaps a dozen, probably less, letters from Flyertalkers:rolleyes:
I'm sorry. But your post lacks credibility.
I'm sure that 8 to 12 letters from readers of this board are going to impact Citi and SB marketing strategy;)
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Gee , do you mean to say that Citi has delayed it relaunch and withheld using the Amex platform on the basis of perhaps a dozen, probably less, letters from Flyertalkers:rolleyes:
I'm sorry. But your post lacks credibility.
I'm sure that 8 to 12 letters from readers of this board are going to impact Citi and SB marketing strategy;)
that plus the fact that 500+ posts saying no to an AMEX and all the phone calls....
it all adds up...a litle bit of negativity on a product such as this goes a long way....much more impact than a $50/yr card...and especially for a first product...
you are "holding CITI's feet to the fire" for evey decision...good things take time...
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even for the amusement value, drbond bring on the updates!!!
Yeah, I gotta concur.
The "inside info." from our new prophet should definitely have the disclaimer "for amusement purposes only".
C'mon providing a P.O. box in South Dakota to a nameless President:rolleyes:
I've got some 'inside info' for everyone.
The President of Citi does not have his office in a South Dakota Mail drop.
Do others think that correspondence to an accurate physical address to a named executive , and not the president, but someone at the EVP level might be more effective?
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you are "holding CITI's feet to the fire" for evey decision...good things take time...[/QUOTE]
No, I made no comment about Citi.
I only stated that One Singular Post lacked credibility.
I held neither Citi's feet to the fire nor the poster's feet to the fire.
I only stated that One singular post lacked credibility and shared my reasoning. That's all I did.
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you are "holding CITI's feet to the fire" for evey decision...good things take time...
No, I made no comment about Citi.
I only stated that One Singular Post lacked credibility.
I held neither Citi's feet to the fire nor the poster's feet to the fire.
I only stated that One singular post lacked credibility and shared my reasoning. That's all I did.[/QUOTE]
but how did you come to that conclusion....he has been right so far....and the power of the consumer is very strong...that is why there are lurkers here from all the companies...
BTW...what is your reasoning?
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Gee , do you mean to say that Citi has delayed it relaunch and withheld using the Amex platform on the basis of perhaps a dozen, probably less, letters from Flyertalkers:rolleyes:
I'm sorry. But your post lacks credibility.
I'm sure that 8 to 12 letters from readers of this board are going to impact Citi and SB marketing strategy;)
^
Keep the speculations ALIVE!!!
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I believe that I am the only person thus far who has provided any substantiate proof of anything with respect to the new chairman product: ie the designer website. I have NO affiliation with the card, whatsoever, other than the mere fact that I have one. . . I am not doubting any post, poster or claim; however, merely pointing out that unless proof of claim is issued, how can we even begin to contemplate it as reality. Moreover, Kendal(l?) Stork is the President of Citi Cards. As a contributor to the Bush/Cheney '04 campaign, one can readily find Stork's address as: 3545 S Spencer Blvd Sioux Falls, SD 57103 Try mailing that if you want a response.
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....he has been right so far....
Example?
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I believe that I am the only person thus far who has provided any substantiate proof of anything with respect to the new chairman product: ie the designer website..
A working link to the American Express Chairman card page was posted by Dolmar on November 8, 2006...
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6664565&postcount=95
Your link to the developer's site about the same page was posted two month's later on January 7, 2007. The developer's site allowed us to see more views, and is appreciated, but didn't "prove" anything new.
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6970744&postcount=357
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Well stated mia. I did not do my research well enough about dolmar's initial positing of the site. Therefore, no new knolwedge was garnered by my "discovery." Why do you all think that the website (mine) no longer has any reference to Citi Chairman Amex card, whatsoever. It was pulled within 4 days of my posting it here; however, it was up there for several (4ish) months. . .
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I am afraid to say anything. When I do try to be helpful and tell about what is going on, someone might post another snide remark. I don't want to bother people with information that is not interesting. I will admit that the information that I post does change and in the past I posted those changes as they happened. I thought people would like to know ALL of the thoughts that were being proposed even before they were set in stone and released to the public. So I just sit here keeping my mouth shut so I don't irritate anyone else, like I apparently did in the last thread.
Gee , do you mean to say that Citi has delayed it relaunch and withheld using the Amex platform on the basis of perhaps a dozen, probably less, letters from Flyertalkers
I'm sorry. But your post lacks credibility.
I'm sure that 8 to 12 letters from readers of this board are going to impact Citi and SB marketing strategy
:rolleyes:
i commend drbond for his continued effort to inform, explain, and answer questions on FT, when there are some who insist on being very unpleasant, and give no thought to thanking him for his information OR his persistence in securing MC/VI alternatives to AX for the new card.
thank you drbond, keep up the good work ^
(the chairman card is a good card, but does not interest me personally. i might be interested if they come out with a good $5K card.)
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A working link to the American Express Chairman card page was posted by Dolmar on November 8, 2006...
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6664565&postcount=95
Your link to the developer's site about the same page was posted two month's later on January 7, 2007. The developer's site allowed us to see more views, and is appreciated, but didn't "prove" anything new.
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6970744&postcount=357
ROTFLMAO^
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What are the benefits of this card? Where are they listed?
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Example?
yeah how 'bout an example?
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Dr. Bond please keep the information coming. In your absence, this topic has degenerated rapidly.
The attacks back and forth from some members are really detracting from all of FlyerTalk.
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drbond, there are a few posters on this board who have gone against the Chairman Card since it has been available, so there is nothing you can do about their negative and cynical comments...try hitting the ignore posts from the "poster"....
Problem is that their metality is still stuck with "MILES" and not "POINTS".....so they are not happy with the way this program is working or maybe it is jealousy...
I for one am extremely happy with the card and have shown my loyalty to Citi with my actions (charging everything on the Chairman) and I am/will be loud opponent to a CITI CHAIRMAN AMEX...
So pls keep the post/info coming....
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C'mon providing a P.O. box in South Dakota to a nameless President:rolleyes:
The President of Citi does not have his office in a South Dakota Mail drop.
Do others think that correspondence to an accurate physical address to a named executive , and not the president, but someone at the EVP level might be more effective?
I believe that you got the address of the President of Citi Cards who coincidentally LIVES AND WORKS in South Dakota...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
mmmmm.....
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So pls keep the post/info coming....
At this rate we really ought to start a thread: "Should DrBond Post?" :D
Post whatever you want man!!! Just lets stay OT, I do not know much about the Chairman Card and appreciate ANY and ALL input given that I think might be useful for ME. I think you/we all can recognize what walks and what talks.
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[QUOTE=anaggie;7193794 ...he has been right so far..
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I note this only as a matter of fact.
It is non perjorative and not conclusionary.
You declined MIA's request to post a mere one example of when "he" has been "right" so far.
C'mon people. this is the internet, don't get duped by people yanking your chain.
are these the words of an "insider"??? Please really.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6988253&postcount=391
But he is a guy who likes everyone to do things HIS way or its the Highway
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7030342&postcount=418
Boy, makes Howard Dean look like a discreet whisperer:D
Seriously., I'm here six years and never told people what they could or could not post in that way! I think we need to stop accepting the musing of one poster as fact.
Esp. given that not ONE EXAMPLE of previous accuracy has been offered up.
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How do you know if shopping potal points are posting corectly?
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At this rate we really ought to start a thread: "Should DrBond Post?" :D
Post whatever you want man!!! Just lets stay OT, I do not know much about the Chairman Card and appreciate ANY and ALL input given that I think might be useful for ME. I think you/we all can recognize what walks and what talks.
Well Said.
By all means keep posting.
It's Mr. Peterson's board. I know that First amendment does not apply. Nevertheless,
I abhor censorship and believe that mods should tread lightly and err on side of not altering if it borderline.
I also agree with the let's get back on topic^ ^
I spent about $1200- on shopping portal last month and yet got zero bonus points listed on my statement. Should these points have posted in the same month? Thanks in advance for your help.
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What are the benefits of this card? Where are they listed?
This is a somewhat dated PDF.
But it is the most comprehennsive info. out there.
Hope it helps.
http://www.smithbarney.com/pdf/chairmanbook.pdf
In brief summary form:
http://www.smithbarney.com/products_services/credit_cards/chairman_features.html?11a
intresting article:http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/RegisteredRep/2004/11/01/644553?extID=10032&oliID=213
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I spent about $1200- on shopping portal last month and yet got zero bonus points listed on my statement. Should these points have posted in the same month? Thanks in advance for your help.
curious on this also given i made a few purchases of my own. mia, anaggie, anyone knows the m.o. here?
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This is a somewhat dated PDF.
But it is the most comprehennsive info. out there.
Hope it helps.
http://www.smithbarney.com/pdf/chairmanbook.pdf
In brief summary form:
http://www.smithbarney.com/products_services/credit_cards/chairman_features.html?11a
intresting article:http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/RegisteredRep/2004/11/01/644553?extID=10032&oliID=213
gr8 info. thx vm.^
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I note this only as a matter of fact.
It is non perjorative and not conclusionary.
You declined MIA's request to post a mere one example of when "he" has been "right" so far.
C'mon people. this is the internet, don't get duped by people yanking your chain.
are these the words of an "insider"??? Please really.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6988253&postcount=391
But he is a guy who likes everyone to do things HIS way or its the Highway
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7030342&postcount=418
Boy, makes Howard Dean look like a discreet whisperer:D
Seriously., I'm here six years and never told people what they could or could not post in that way! I think we need to stop accepting the musing of one poster as fact.
Esp. given that not ONE EXAMPLE of previous accuracy has been offered up.
I read your post and your links and it looks very clear that the information posted also supports that drbond knows what he/she is talking about. Why are you so against this one poster? Has he personally offended you in some way?
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Yeah, I gotta concur.
The "inside info." from our new prophet should definitely have the disclaimer "for amusement purposes only".
C'mon providing a P.O. box in South Dakota to a nameless President:rolleyes:
I've got some 'inside info' for everyone.
The President of Citi does not have his office in a South Dakota Mail drop.
Do others think that correspondence to an accurate physical address to a named executive , and not the president, but someone at the EVP level might be more effective?
I called up citi and they confirmed that the president of the citibank credit card division does in fact live in South Dakota and the address posted is the address to his office. So much for his information being bad, don't you think?
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I called up citi and they confirmed that the president of the citibank credit card division does in fact live in South Dakota and the address posted is the address to his office. So much for his information being bad, don't you think?
I second your opinion. At this point of time every thing is a speculation / intelligent guess. And even if DrBond gets it right or wrong he does not seem to repost same info, like the people who seem to be against him. Frankly i am also tired of this stupid rhetoric, thanks for cautioning us, we appreciate it. Now just get off every ones back. Or post some "original" info, how ever speculative it is & stop this negative crusade that you guys are onto. I am sure that this thread is going to be mod'ed down pretty soon!
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the other thread was mod'ed down so...I am sure this is not far behind...
Anyway, the topic of portal points....bonus points will be credited to acct 2-3statements after the purchase and will be shown in the "bonus points" row heading on your monthly statement...
keep an eye out for them !!!
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the other thread was mod'ed down so...I am sure this is not far behind...
Anyway, the topic of portal points....bonus points will be credited to acct 2-3statements after the purchase and will be shown in the "bonus points" row heading on your monthly statement...
keep an eye out for them !!!
i was wondering where they were. I think its been 2 statements already. I'll keep my eye open on the next one. Thanks for the heads up
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drbond, there are a few posters on this board who have gone against the Chairman Card ...
I do not see any connection between enthusiasm for the Chairman card product and the ability to authenticate the information posted about the forthcoming version. When the initial thread started we had information from a variety of sources: Smith Barney clients who spoke with their financial consultants, cardholders who asked Chairman customer service agents, others who found links on the web. Comparing fragmentary information from multiple sources we could have some confidence in the emerging image.
Of late we seem to have only one source of information, a poster who purports to have inside information. drbond may well have access to decision makers at Citi and every word he has posted may have been accurate at time of posting, but it could also be a series of inferences. I would like to understand why you choose to believe that the information is accurate.
To be sure there is no misunderstanding, I am not claiming that drbond's post are false, merely pointing out that they are unverified.
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drbond has always made it clear exactly what is a fact and what is an inference, at least when i was keeping up with this topic.
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drbond has always made it clear exactly what is a fact and what is an inference, at least when i was keeping up with this topic.
exactly....
again, I also think that his information has been accurate up to the point...
unless one needs a hard copy version to make sure info is accurate...
drbond..since you have a Chairman AMEX...can you pls scan and post it on this forum to clear up the doubters? You can black out your name and just leave the 1st four numbers for authecitcation purposes by the doubters...black out the rest...or better yet...just leave the 4 digit CCV code to prove it is an amex....
OT -- since this is my 1000th post ...I would like to thank the following:
1) God -- for giving me the ability to use a computer proficiently and to navigate the forums
2) My wife -- for putting up with my FT addiction -- even though she seems to enjoy flying C/F instead of Y and the no limit credit card
3) Chairman Card -- for having stuff to post about for the last 1000 posts
4) Chairman V@ -- for having stuff to post about till my 2000th post
Joking aside....I really enjoy being an FT'er !!!!!
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...also think that his information has been accurate up to the point...
This is the part I don't see. Could you please mention an example of something about the next Chairman card that drbond posted before it was available elsewhere and which was later independently verified?
I do understand that if drbond has access to such information he may need to be careful not to disclose his identity, but I also think we need to be skeptical of unverifiable claims. Previously, you were a primary source of information, based on your frequent contact with Chairman customer service, but it's been a long while since you have posted anything along those lines and it puzzles me.
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the other thread was mod'ed down so...I am sure this is not far behind...
exactly....
again, I also think that his information has been accurate up to the point...
unless one needs a hard copy version to make sure info is accurate...
drbond..since you have a Chairman AMEX...can you pls scan and post it on this forum to clear up the doubters? You can black out your name and just leave the 1st four numbers for authecitcation purposes by the doubters...black out the rest...or better yet...just leave the 4 digit CCV code to prove it is an amex....
Why is this still being dicussed? :confused: :confused: :confused:
WHO CARES???... IF DRBOND WANTS TO POST GREAT IF HE DOESNT GREAT.
LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC AS ITS BEING SILLY AND FRANKLY CHILDISH.
IMHO Mia and writetorich are the only ones that have helped me in certain questions... but so WHAT>? The reality is that mia has asked some questions that all you drbond fans have yet to answer, and also questions from writetorich... so if your so hell bent to hooray drbond take those questions up and lets finish it once and for all... LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC.
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This is the part I don't see. Could you please mention an example of something about the next Chairman card that drbond posted before it was available elsewhere and which was later independently verified?
I do understand that if drbond has access to such information he may need to be careful not to disclose his identity, but I also think we need to be skeptical of unverifiable claims. Previously, you were a primary source of information, based on your frequent contact with Chairman customer service, but it's been a long while since you have posted anything along those lines and it puzzles me.
Because I have gotten all the answers I needed...and now the V2 is delayed so there is no new info out....maybe I will call tonight and talk to my CSR rep....let us see what new info is out there....
aslo I think drbond has issues about confidetiality....and maybe that too much info is out alredy so suddenly CITI has become tight lipped about this...
And for me verification is not that important because when CITI comes out with this product, we will know for sure at that time...so I enjoyed getting infor from him whether it is true or not....
Honestly, once you get the correct info, it will be from CITI not someone on FT !!!!
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Why is this still being dicussed? :confused: :confused: :confused:
WHO CARES???... IF DRBOND WANTS TO POST GREAT IF HE DOESNT GREAT.
LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC AS ITS BEING SILLY AND FRANKLY CHILDISH.
IMHO Mia and writetorich are the only ones that have helped me in certain questions... but so WHAT>? The reality is that mia has asked some questions that all you drbond fans have yet to answer, and also questions from writetorich... so if your so hell bent to hooray drbond take those questions up and lets finish it once and for all... LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC.
because I think that some information is better than no information...now we are at "no information"
At least we had some information...now we have to wait for CITI to give us the new info....we had something to discuss in the threads...now what do we discuss?
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...now what do we discuss?
Why, if drbond is not on this forum we wont discuss no longer? are u being serious? If there is nothing to discuss is bcs no info is out there...
fyi, no info is better than BS.
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If this card had a 3 year warranty extension on purchases like the amex cent,primary rental car insurance and diners club transfer partners. Oh and throw in some airline elite statuses.
:confused: english pls
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Why, if drbond is not on this forum we wont discuss no longer? are u being serious? If there is nothing to discuss is bcs no info is out there...
fyi, no info is better than BS.
Well, I called my CSR rep today and he told that the card will be released till Q2 (cannot say whether it is April/June)...here is the main reason why:
Due to responses/crticisms/suggestions from members who called/wrote/FT/ and so forth, CITI wanted to make sure that the card come out right...
They soprt of stumbled with V1 -- according to dolmar, they had a target audience of the high net worth SB clinets, but ended up with a much wider target group like us in FT....
So, now they have seen the reaction of the V1 on FT and they want to make sure that the new product is right...basically cross their "t's and dot their "i's"....I of course offered them my assistance....maybe since the calls are being monitored, I can get a cushy consultant job !!!
Maybe my pay will be free F tickets for life !!!!
What a great dream !!!!
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Just out of curiosity I called my Rep and asked all of the questions that I could find based on drbond's posts. He confirmed everything that I said as being correct and that the information was released in a memo and otherwise to the reps. One he even told me the date of and drbond was 2 weeks prior to that giving us the information. So thank you drbond for giving us the information. I also found out that if you were to be found out by citi you might be in a peck of trouble, so I understand if you don't give out too much information at this point. I too was told that several letters had been sent to the President in South Dakota complaining about the release of an amex and that they did not expect that reaction. He also said that they were shocked that the information about it being an amex was out there when it was as they had kept it very tight lipped and no one was supposed to discuss it. I called the Presidents office and confirmed the same thing and the manager told me that they were concerned that the information of the amex had gotten out and then started to quiz me about who the leak was. She even asked me if I had read it on, get this "FLYERTALK" and if I knew who the posters were. Well lucky for me I don't know who anybodies real name is and I wouldn't have told if I did. She did say that had they not received the letters the new amex would have been out last month. She stated the letters and calls were complaining about the amex and the fee for what was being offered, so they put a hold on it. She said thanks to those letters, every one but the beta testers will now have to wait several more months, probably July. I am glad we found out and stopped or at least delayed the amex launch. If it had been launched we would probably never get them to change it to a visa.
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Just out of curiosity I called my Rep and asked all of the questions that I could find based on drbond's posts. He confirmed everything that I said as being correct .
He confirmed everything that I said as being correct?
Now I am the curious one. "He confirmed everythig that I said as being correct"
Boy, you must have been very curious to research all of your "friend's" post and then ring up and ask ALL the questions based on another posters voluminous posts.
Now I am the very curious one.
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That's bad news for FlyerTalk. Corporate America doesn't like leaks. It's not unusual for a company to start a John Doe lawsuit up and subpoena log files from web bulletin boards.
On a more topically note I'd just like to find out the final word on this one. I've been on the fence for a while on a premium credit card now that I'm traveling more.
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He confirmed everything that I said as being correct?
Now I am the curious one. "He confirmed everythig that I said as being correct"
Boy, you must have been very curious to research all of your "friend's" post and then ring up and ask ALL the questions based on another posters voluminous posts.
Now I am the very curious one.
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He confirmed everything that I said as being correct?
Now I am the curious one. "He confirmed everythig that I said as being correct"
Boy, you must have been very curious to research all of your "friend's" post and then ring up and ask ALL the questions based on another posters voluminous posts.
Now I am the very curious one.
I think he means whatever the info he had quized the rep about was correct. Dude ... just take it easy!!
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He confirmed everything that I said as being correct?
Now I am the curious one. "He confirmed everythig that I said as being correct"
Boy, you must have been very curious to research all of your "friend's" post and then ring up and ask ALL the questions based on another posters voluminous posts.
Now I am the very curious one.
Goodness, you sure do like to sling it don't you. I did some searchs and using the wonderful tools available here, I was able to pull up posts by searching the username. I called up because quite honestly I was going to debunk his posts and post what I found out. I asked questions that were posted as if "I" were asking them. (how could I possibly explain asking the questions of someone that I can't even find the name of and I sure don't want to explain a username) The rep is my assigned rep and that would have been curious to. So "I" just asked the questions that were rephrasings of the posts on flyertalk and got the answers. Now why exactly are we still running this in the ground? What does it have to do with the Chairman V2? I don't think that I am the only person that appreciates drbond's post or those of others on here. I appreciate all of the posts. For quite some time I was able to just sit back and read and learn. I find it very bad when some of the sources of information are being attacked. Yeah I have the big brother syndrom and I do wish that the two or three on here that are on a witch hunt would let it go. Man, do you have to look a gift horse in the mouth or as state earlier try to kill the messenger? Let it go, man, let us move on to discussing the Chairman V2 and hope that it is a Visa.
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6235554&postcount=28
Interesting first post from "newbie" Eastern Traveler.
Enters in the middle of thread. Uses the "quote feature" as well as the "post icons" feature. "Newbie" does not bother with pleasantries.
A question on how to abuse frequent stay program rules and regulations.
Maybe repeating a question that an established poster did not want to repeat again and get flamed on?
I note Doc Bond posted earlier in the thread.
Eastern Traveler seems quite fond and close with Dr. Bond.
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...Now why exactly are we still running this in the ground? What does it have to do with the Chairman V2?...let us move on to discussing the Chairman V2 and hope that it is a Visa.
Hello,
Question for you:
Is there a possiblity that the the v2 will be a Visa? That would great since I would then be able to get rid of my current random Visa. I asked this question before on this thread, but people seemed to think that since Citi has such a strong relationship with MC, that there was no chance of the v2 being a Visa. Which seemed like a reasonable answer to me so I didn't think anything more of it.
Also, as a side note, I asked the Chairman PAs to get me tickets to the upcoming Police concert tour since they seem to be pretty good at tasks like that and they will try to get them next week. I'm not that concerned with it though since I will be getting the tickets from elsewhere also, but if they can get some extras for me, I'll bring some more people. I'll let people know how they do.
- SR
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. I called up because quite honestly I was going to debunk his posts and post what I found out..
Well if you dislike "witchhunts" why did you call up seeking to "debunk" his posts?:rolleyes:
I appreciate your honesty;)
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... The rep is my assigned rep
I find it very bad when some of the sources of information are being attacked. Yeah I have the big brother syndrom and I do wish that the two or three on here that are on a witch hunt would let it go.
1- Does anyone else on this board have "an assigned' rep?
2-If you don't like sources of information being attacked then why did you yourself say that you were going to 'debunk' your , I mean his;) , information?
Honestly.
Dr. Bond, The way you have proactively sought to make yourself the center of attention on this forum makes this scrutiny legitimate and warranted.
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I must say, trying to come into this thread and actually find information on the Chairman v2 is becoming tougher and tougher. Can we move some discussion to the "drbond legitimacy" forum?
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“Sr47567” I am also very interested to hear if “EasternTraveler” has heard this elsewhere or if they are just hoping and wishing with the rest of us Visa fans. I enjoy the benefits of my Chairman card, but I admit I would much rather the restaurant server look at the black card, give a puzzled face, and then turn it over and say aloud, “Oh, it is a Visa” instead of “Oh, it is a MasterCard.” Visa has a customer base that is more affluent than MasterCard and in my opinion just sounds better, more international, more upscale. As long as we are hoping and dreaming—how great would it be if Citi launched the Chairman v2 as the only U.S. Visa Infinite product?
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I am starting to agree with some of "writetorich" posts....I see no defensse from drbond himslef except by others including myself...now even I am having doubts by the non defense of drbond....except by newbies....
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I am starting to agree with some of "writetorich" posts....I see no defensse from drbond himslef except by others including myself...now even I am having doubts by the non defense of drbond....except by newbies....
No he is answering via attempting to change the subject.
This is "enclave"'s First post:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6482676&postcount=5
My goodness, I have heard of shelf Delaware corporations, but shelf flyertalk handles??
Dr. Bond, were you planning to sell your 8 or 9 "aged" FT handles on Ebay?
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“writetorch” I happen to agree with most all of your comments about “drbond” and how much inside information this person actually has access to—if any. However, I only have one username on Flyer Talk. I read posts for a long time before I signed up and posted myself for the first time. I was inclined to do so when I came across the “citi Concierge phone number” post in October and decided to register since this person asked a question that I knew the answer. I do not work in the financial industry. I am just interested in credit cards, marketing, and in particular how companies can successfully market an upscale, exclusive, higher class product to a lot of people—counterintuitive ideas—“Mass Class” as it has been called by some.
You can continue your campaign against “drbond”, but please exclude me from your investigation as I just want to talk about Chairman v2—MasterCard vs. AmEx vs. Visa.
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I have not heard that there would be a Visa and not being a super long timer, I would like to know if anyone knows for sure that it would be a Visa or are we stuck with a mastercard as I have read here. I really do not want a american express, I have one of those.
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...how great would it be if Citi launched the Chairman v2 as the only U.S. Visa Infinite product?
My recollection is that in 2002 Citibank changed from primarily issuing VISA products to primarily issuing Mastercard. One reason was that Citi wanted to create a card without a network logo on the front, VISA would not agree but Mastercard did. To my knowledge Chairman is the only card where Citi has used this design freedom. I am surprised they did not do it with Diners Club and Carte Blanche.
Has enough changed in the intervening five year that VISA would agree?
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I will respond to this only one time. My alter ego is "writetorich" I enjoy arguing with myself, it makes me think about what I am doing. :D
I don't believe there is any reason to be involved in a debate about my information. I post it and if you read it and find it useful, great, if you don't then just read on and forget it.
I thought this was a thread about the New Chairman Card and nothing else. I am sorry but I don't think my username has anything to do with the thread, so I don't feel inclined to defend my posts.
I appreciate those of you that have voiced your opinions and support for my post. I really do appreciate it, but honestly we need to stay on the topic at hand or risk a closure of the thread.
I don't care if some of you, more specifically I think it is two, don't like my post. For some unknown reason you are against my posts. I don't know why, I don't think that I have attacked either of you and if I did, send me a PM of exactly what I did to attack you. I would truly like to know. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings, so there is your apology in advance.
I will not respond too much more publicly about this because of reasons I also will not disclose. It is really none of your business what I do for a living and I really doubt that you have anything that would make it beneficial for me to give proof of myself. Unless you are out to take the information and do things with it that could be detrimental. If you would like to speak on the phone, PM me your number and I will be happy to call you.
I have one username and I picked it for reasons that I and my friends understand. I wonder if you would like to sell one of your aliases on ebay. I will be watching for it. Now let's try to get back to the chairman card.
For everyone else, I am sorry if my information has bothered any of you. I only posted it to be of help and to try and get a better program for all. I am not a KNOW IT ALL and do not pretend to be. I do know my business and I am willing to help with what I can. There are some on here that I consider friends and would give whatever information I could to help. If we can get this back on topic, I will be happy to share as the continued attacks are going to result in a RPB and a possible closure of this thread. I don't want it closed as I too learn from other peoples post. I like to know what your thoughts are and if you hear anything that might be contrary to what I am told. People on the web come from all walks of life and some of you may work for Citi or SB or a CRA or even a support service. If we continue to share information we can all benefit from it. I wish the best of luck to all and hope we can continue these discussions in a manner that will be helpful and informative.
PS: I use the omni forum for my waste of time post. I would like for the credit card forum to remain a serious and useful forum.
Thanks.
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“writetorch” I happen to agree with most all of your comments about “drbond” .
nice touch;) or rather nice attempt. (Not really all that convincing).
16 minutes to reply with a mere 13 posts. :D :D :D :D :D
Ya just happened to reading FT now "Enclave"?
I stand by my comments.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7098644#post7098644
So few posts in all these months, --but an avid reader/ lurker who can reply in 16 minutes?
And you use/spend one of your few posts to admonish the administrators about SPELLING.
Dr. Bond, if you have a comment , opinion about spelling, post it under your own name.
Do others notice that Dr. Bond has an awful lot of lurkers who signed up around the same time always eager to post how much they enjoy his "information"
It's wonderful that we have some many newbies who can use quote features and all the advanced functions on their very first post.
Are these the sleeper cells that The administration warned us about??
I think we have sleeper cells now. A lot more serious than Aged, shelf handles.
Is the American way of life safe?
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[QUOTE=mia;7216765]... Citibank changed from primarily issuing VISA products ....QUOTE]
I know of only current two Citi Visa products.
The Citi Hilton Visa Card and the business AAdvantage Visa.
Only available on business side, not personal.
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It's wonderful that we have some many newbies who can use quote features and all the advanced functions on their very first post
You're kidding, I hope! The posting features of FlyerTalk are shared by a great many other fora.
Uh oh- does this mean I'm a DrBond "alias" now? :rolleyes:
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I do not know anything about the VISA deal...but I seriously doubt that new product will be a VISA....it will be an Amex/MC before it ever get to a VISA...
thank god we are back on topic...also, if this goes on about the drbond and his aliases, I am done with this topic...whenever someone has some actual adult information to discuss, I will come back on...otherwise I am too old to become a kid again...
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I do not know anything about the VISA deal...but I seriously doubt that new product will be a VISA....it will be an Amex/MC before it ever get to a VISA...
thank god we are back on topic...also, if this goes on about the drbond and his aliases, I am done with this topic...whenever someone has some actual adult information to discuss, I will come back on...otherwise I am too old to become a kid again...
Hello anaggie,
I would agree that there is little chance that the v2 will be a Visa. i would base that on Citi's relationship with MC.
I am still leaning towards keeping my v1 and Amex Plat combo.
In order for me to "upgrade" to the v2 it would have to offer some pretty nice features and none of what I consider nice features are converting to an Amex. If the v2 does convert to an Amex platform it will more of a question of is the ~$1k v2 better than the $400 Amex Plat? The v2 would then have to offer Gold Events, FHR, Cruise, etc. Which it doesn't sound like it will. I guess we will find out in a couple of months.
- SR
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I am still leaning towards keeping my v1 and Amex Plat combo.
In order for me to "upgrade" to the v2 it
- SR
What makes you so sure that you will have option to keep current version?
If Citi intended to have two versions, then why suspend new applications as of aprox. 09-15-06??
If the $400 version was going to continue to be available then why would citi forgo the revenue from "aspiring" chairman applicants??
It makes no sense for Citi to administer TWO chairman programs with TWO price points.
Besides the extra cost to administer, there is the added confusion and dilution to the "chairman" brand that presumably Citi is trying to develop.
There are not two versions of AX Cent. (Lowered grandfathered charter cardholder fee is not a lower tier program with different benies).
I doubt that Citi will "allow" existing Chairman Holders to "opt out" or choose to keep their current program and price points.
It makes no business sense for Citi to maintain a lower tier chairman for pre 9-15 holders who don't want to pay more. This is pure nonsense.
Why would Citi want to administer a separate program for a base that mathematically has no growth potential? This 'special class' could only shrink and decline. Growth would be impossible.
I think this "decide which one you want" and its a one time irrevocable election is urban folklore or ‘Flyertalk folklore proffered by one controversial FT'er and subsequently accepted as gospal.
My speculation (I don't pretend to work for Citi) is:
When and If a more expensive annual fee product is offered, we'll have one year (or if lucky lifetime) fee reduction. There will not be two versions.
Those who elect NOT to pay more, may be thrown a bone in for form of a fee free for life PP Elite Card,
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What makes you so sure that you will have option to keep current version?
If Citi intended to have two versions, then why suspend new applications as of aprox. 09-15-06??
If the $400 version was going to continue to be available then why would citi forgo the revenue from "aspiring" chairman applicants??
It makes no sense for Citi to administer TWO chairman programs with TWO price points.
Besides the extra cost to administer, there is the added confusion and dilution to the "chairman" brand that presumably Citi is trying to develop.
There are not two versions of AX Cent. (Lowered grandfathered charter cardholder fee is not a lower tier program with different benies).
I doubt that Citi will "allow" existing Chairman Holders to "opt out" or choose to keep their current program and price points.
It makes no business sense for Citi to maintain a lower tier chairman for pre 9-15 holders who don't want to pay more. This is pure nonsense.
Why would Citi want to administer a separate program for a base that mathematically has no growth potential? This 'special class' could only shrink and decline. Growth would be impossible.
I think this "decide which one you want" and its a one time irrevocable election is urban folklore or ‘Flyertalk folklore proffered by one controversial FT'er and subsequently accepted as gospal.
My speculation (I don't pretend to work for Citi) is:
When and If a more expensive annual fee product is offered, we'll have one year (or if lucky lifetime) fee reduction. There will not be two versions.
Those who elect NOT to pay more, may be thrown a bone in for form of a fee free for life PP Elite Card,
Most of the private banking/CMA/RMA type of companies do offer tiered features like the UBS select/Premier/"Charter-invite only" things with different reward levels. Heck if merrill+ can maintain 3 levels based on "spending"! i am sure citi can maintain an "ELite level" chairman. That said ... it depends on what citi wants! if it goes to 1K i am sure there will be 75% (min) drop out rate, and they are better of making it an invite only thing. From what i see the REAL issue for citibank is that most people already have an Amex Plat/Centurion which they are not ready to let go. Now citi has to some how complement it! And it is hard. United/AA other two major cariers are not interested in giving the status for 'free' and Priority pass pretty much has the same lounge access of the Amex Plat (except ... odd lounges of US/United). I think the best bet for citi is to create a MasterCard Elite world card and price it below 600. (OR) give like UBS dual card option (additional Amex Plat) for 1000 (i am not sure if and why AMex would be interested in loosing its plat customers ...) But at >1K single card Amex will just not fly!
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shifting everyone to a $1,000 AMEX (with seemingly no added benefits to compete with centurion, like citi ultima card internationally before it) ensures at least 75% if not higher cancellation rate
merrill can get you AA status, but BA miles
citi should have come up with a high end AA card.
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What makes you so sure that you will have option to keep current version?
If Citi intended to have two versions, then why suspend new applications as of aprox. 09-15-06??
If the $400 version was going to continue to be available then why would citi forgo the revenue from "aspiring" chairman applicants??
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Hello writetorich,
The above have been covered before in the previous Chairman thread at length, but a brief answer:
Since Citi would have to offer all current v1 holders an upgrade to v2, Citi would want to limit the number of these ‘auto’ upgrades to the new product as not to dilute the Chairman product any further.
Citi would not be able to tell all post-09/15/06 v1 applicants that they can not get the auto upgrade to v2. That would be bad customer service, and since one the v1’s strong points is their excellent customer service, the above behavior would go against that.
Keep in mind that these operate under the following assumptions:
1) All current v1 Chairman holders will be offered to upgrade to v2 – Being grandfathered into the new program
2) The v2 has a higher set of requirements to get, i.e. Amex Green vs. Amex Plat, etc.
3) Citi values the current v1 Chairman holders
As to why I think that I will be given the choice to keep my current v1, I have spoken to a number of CSRs about this over the past several months and they have all assured me that if I wanted to keep the v1, I would be allowed to do so. Now I don’t have an assigned CSR like some people have mentioned having so I haven’t built up any kind of relationship or familiarity with any of the CSRs that I speak to – I get a different CSR whenever I call – so it’s possible that all of them were lying to me, but that seems unlikely.
- SR
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It's not exactly the same, but I still have a personal AAdvantage VISA card, even though Citi has not issued these since about 2002 when they switched the product to Mastercard. Other posters have mentioned that they still have other "discontinued" Citi cards.
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most companies do it, dont they?
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I have a Choice card that "WAS" issued by Citi, is it still available to the public? More specifically can anyone post a link to apply for it? I did a google and did not find one, but I seem to remember being told that it was being discontinued several years back. I don't know if it happened or not, but if someone could tell me I would thank you for it. Post a link if you can find one.
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I have a Choice card that "WAS" issued by Citi, is it still available to the public? '
Do you mean the original Choice credit card, or the Choice VISA that was issued after Citi closed the Choice processing network?
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I had a choice card but it was converted to a choice visa. I was never told that I had the option to keep the choice card. I don't know that I would have since today I would probably have a hard time using it. So yes I mean the choice visa, and I don't think that you can apply for it today.
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[QUOTE=mia;7216765]... Citibank changed from primarily issuing VISA products ....QUOTE]
I know of only current two Citi Visa products.
The Citi Hilton Visa Card and the business AAdvantage Visa.
Only available on business side, not personal.
There are other cards...
1. Citi Dividend Platinum Select Visa - Personal - I asked for a Dividend Card and they sent me a Visa. I never asked for a Visa. I actually expected an MC.
2. Citi AA Visa Signature - Personal - Visit www.visasignature.com and click apply for
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Hello writetorich,
The above have been covered before in the previous Chairman thread at length, but a brief answer:
Since Citi would have to offer all current v1 holders an upgrade to v2, Citi would want to limit the number of these ‘auto’ upgrades to the new product as not to dilute the Chairman product any further.
Citi would not be able to tell all post-09/15/06 v1 applicants that they can not get the auto upgrade to v2. That would be bad customer service, and since one the v1’s strong points is their excellent customer service, the above behavior would go against that.
Keep in mind that these operate under the following assumptions:
1) All current v1 Chairman holders will be offered to upgrade to v2 – Being grandfathered into the new program
2) The v2 has a higher set of requirements to get, i.e. Amex Green vs. Amex Plat, etc.
3) Citi values the current v1 Chairman holders
As to why I think that I will be given the choice to keep my current v1, I have spoken to a number of CSRs about this over the past several months and they have all assured me that if I wanted to keep the v1, I would be allowed to do so. Now I don’t have an assigned CSR like some people have mentioned having so I haven’t built up any kind of relationship or familiarity with any of the CSRs that I speak to – I get a different CSR whenever I call – so it’s possible that all of them were lying to me, but that seems unlikely.
- SR
I have called several times to ask about the new card. I have been told each time that I can keep my existing card. However, we all know that in the credit card business almost anything is possible.
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This thread was created for speculation on Chairman V2. The attacks back and forth are really detracting from all of FlyerTalk. They are devaluing the community and making it a waste of time. It really does not matter whether Dr. Bond is right, wrong, a Citi insider, a pretender, an AMEX mole trying to make people think that new the Chairman Card will be redundant to AMEX Platinum. At least his posts were interesting to read. The recent content has been junk.
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Intresting, Citi does not agressively promote or market promote personal AAdvantage as a Visa , but will issue it when 'referrred ' by the visa site
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Intresting, Citi does not agressively promote or market promote personal AAdvantage as a Visa , but will issue it when 'referrred ' by the visa site
Rich, You are correct. The AA Visa card is not mentioned on the Citi or AA websites. The application page appeared only recently. Previously you could only request it via phone (to my knowledge).
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I must say, trying to come into this thread and actually find information on the Chairman v2 is becoming tougher and tougher. Can we move some discussion to the "drbond legitimacy" forum?
Well, 'finding' info should be tough as no real information exsists.
Go back and read the September/October posts.
ALL WRONG.
That's why the chairman threads tend to get train wrecked and why the chairman threads are an easy target for Self proclaimed 'insiders'.
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delete this post
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This thread was created for speculation on Chairman V2. The attacks back and forth are really detracting from all of FlyerTalk. They are devaluing the community and making it a waste of time. It really does not matter whether Dr. Bond is right, wrong, a Citi insider, a pretender, an AMEX mole trying to make people think that new the Chairman Card will be redundant to AMEX Platinum. At least his posts were interesting to read. The recent content has been junk.
we were all waiting for you to chime in. perfect timing, thanks.
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This is the part I don't see. Could you please mention an example of something about the next Chairman card that drbond posted before it was available elsewhere and which was later independently verified?
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6830781&postcount=254
http://www.entre.com
entre = inside information.
funny how when i offer proof of drbond's inside information, those who keep demanding it ignore it. (not talking about you mia)
it’s possible that all of them were lying to me, but that seems unlikely.
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This thread was created for speculation on Chairman V2. ... The recent content has been junk.
I think there is an important distinction between speculative discussion based on a limited amount of verifiable information, and speculation.
Reviewing recent posts I find several with worthwhile content, in particular...
# 39 2.08.2007 drbond update on reasons for delay
# 55 2.09.2007 DrDave2006 specific address for Citicard executive
# 88 2.12.2007 anaggie report on customer service discussion
# 89 2.13.2007 EasternTraveler report on customer service discussion
# 96 2.13.2007 sr47567 observation about perceived difference between VISA and Mastercard
#112 2.13.2007 writetorich question about whether Citi would support the original Mastercard Chairman in parallel with new version which has lead to a good discussion exploring how Citi has handled discontinued cards.
#133 2.14.2007 Kagehitokiri link to entre website which I have not yet had an opportunity to explore
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http://www.entre.com
Hello Kagehitokiri,
I had no idea that this was up. Must not have realized before. I am not able to get in. Anybody been able to check this out?
- SR
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Just for the record: 1) I have made several points (3 out of maybe 12 total) of significant validity 2) I am in no way affiliated with Citi, AMEX or any other of the associated companies other than the fact that I am a client of all of them 3) I am NOT DRBOND -- not that anyone has indicated as such; however, we both have a DR in our title. BTW, what kind of MD/Ph.D./DO, etc is Bond?
4) When combined with other accounts, I have access to >850MM in SB/Citi Private, and other affiliated accounts (most of which is biotech assets); however, I CANNOT get access or inside info on the new card other than what I find myself... rather disconcerting...
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Just for the record: 3) I am NOT DRBOND -- ...
:)
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http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6830781&postcount=254
http://www.entre.com
entre = inside information.
funny how when i offer proof of drbond's inside information, those who keep demanding it ignore it. (not talking about you mia)
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I reviewed entre.com. What is it? After a quick review of the hotels (No FS, RC, or MO) it doesn't look as good as even FHR let alone Centurion. Over all it doesn't look as good as Platinum...so...what is it? Gold ;-)
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It is not as good as Centurion or FHR, that we can definetly agree on. Now how do you think it compares to LHW? That is what it is intended to replace. "This is my opinion" I don't think it brings enough value to the table to justify the cost. However, do you know who manages the concierge? I will not say here as I am sure you will figure it out pretty quick. After all, I don't want to get someone all fired up about the information :D
PS: I am drbond :D
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I would unfortunately assume that it is VIPDESK PA's. I spoke with Ernest (sp?) about a week ago for the 10th or 12th time regarding my issues with the PAs. He is the "director" of the CSRs for chairman. He indicated that they may remain with said VIPDESK to my dismay... If this is the case, I will gladly can the card. All I want is decent concierge at this point. Otherwise, the card is essentially useless for me. As for Entre, it looks less than exciting from my vantage point...
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I've just had to do more cleanup on this thread. Seriously, cut out the sniping back and forth and keep on topic or else this discussion is over. Do not take on who is or is not a duplicate handle, a useful poster, a bad person, or whatever inside this thread. Use the report bad post button or PM a senior moderator. Enough.
Gary
aka gleff
Senior moderator
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gleff, youre the man! ^^ :)
or else this discussion is over. cant you ban repeat offenders?
moving on >>
drbond asked me not to share the entre link, (so i didnt) but i figured it was obvious enough for someone to figure out.. although when he first posted google did not result in a hit, like it does now.
LHW is a joke, i hope Entre is somewhat better. current chairman can get in??? i want to know about the supposed airline upgrades! :D
im still interested in hearing about a $5K card if they come out with one with REAL hotel benefits for example. (the current 2 cards do not interest me personally, but im not really interested in airline/hotel status, other than IC RA, so that makes me the odd man out on FT :p)
drdave, are you saying thats YOUR holding total? or family/etc? you should be getting an invite soon if its your personal total.. according to what drbond said a while ago about the order of invites, which he said started 1-2 weeks ago.
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Personal puts me >175MM, Fam >>300MM, my company (with venture cap, etc...) ~350MM
Edit --
Nonetheless, I do NOT think that I will be prompted soon. My FA has called on my behalf to the AMEX version and NO RESPONSE has been given, whatsoever...
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pretty ridiculous. i guess things like this were also on my mind when i decided not to sign up before they stopped taking apps.
http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/press/2004/040917a.htm
but drbond did say SB/CPB would be first in line, in order of holdings, age, spending (not sure which are weighted more though.. perhaps he can clarify.. or even have someone follow up with you :D)
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Why would one need a 5k card for hotel benefits? If you are spending 5k on a card, just can the card and use the 5k to upgrade yourself...
For me V1 is great....I do not need special tables since most of the food at those places sucks anyway....I am a simple man...give me a good steak, side vegs and a beer and I am in heaven...
or finger licking BBQ, or Chinese, Japanese -- basically good tasting food that does not require special table...
So PA's is good for me too...they are what they advertise....Personal Assistants -- I dount that anyone's PA would be able to get special tables....
There are two things that would make me switch to V2:
1) AA PLAT status --no status match crap
2) Amex is fine, but there must be a secondary MC to back the amex and it must be tied to one acct....
3) AC is fine...no plus or minus here
4) Hilton status must be Diamond as GOLD is a joke
These benefits in addition to the V1 benefits is worth 1000/yr....
Also, CITI has already decided on the offer...basically you can choose either V1 orf V2 not both...and if you choose V2 when they come out with it, they will give you the 1st yr at the price of V1 and then it goes to normal fee...
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anaggie, with FHR and Virtuoso it is possible to receive upgrades worth more than a thousand dollars per night. not to mention the discounted rates. for FHR, many offer 10%, and ive seen 20% at Pen BKK and 30% at Trump NYC. Quintessentially also offers "fantastic preferential rates" at a number of properties, but i dont see their hotel benefits alone as being worth $1500/year. (lots of sofitels, etc) Centurion and some Virtuoso properties also offer confirmed upgrades at time of booking, and combined with discounts, those bookings can REALLY pile on the savings. also look at the Saks WEMC. Suite and Club upgrades at RC, for $0 annual fee. Only problem is its based on Saks spending, and the rewards are Saks gift cards. :p but we will see more new WEMC and other cards following suit in the future.
i thought the only difference between Hilton Gold and Diamond was guaranteed availability?
IIRC the only programs with suite upgrades in T&C are >
-Starwood Platinum
-Intercontinental Royal Ambassador
-Shangri-La Golden Circle Elite
Starwood Platinum would be another thing possible for the $5K card, if Starwood offers the same $500 fee per cardholder they offered Centurion, and CITI takes them up on that. That would be a huge coup for CITI, although I'd personally prefer IC over Starwood.
as you mentioned, airline statuses are another thing that would directly compete with Centurion, and no one else currently offers them.
i hope some of the people at CITI reading this are actually decisionmakers.
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...possible to receive upgrades worth more than a thousand dollars per night...
It seems to me that the rack rate for suites is analogous to unrestricted transoceanic airline fares. I do not consider that I saved more than I would have otherwise paid. I do not think of AA MIA-LHR-MIA in first class as "worth" $12,000, I consider it worth the $3,600 I would have otherwise paid for a VS "Z" Upper Class ticket. By this reasoning, I wouldn't value a hotel upgrade at more than the difference between the rate I paid and the highest rate I would otherwise pay, even if the room is superior.
This doesn't mean that I think hotel upgrades are unimportant, I just think it's hazadous to assign a financial value based on asking price. I also place much less value on "time of check-in" upgrades, when I truly need a suite I will book and pay for it rather than gamble.
dennis
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anaggie, with FHR and Virtuoso it is possible to receive upgrades worth more than a thousand dollars per night. not to mention the discounted rates. for FHR, many offer 10%, and ive seen 20% at Pen BKK and 30% at Trump NYC. Quintessentially also offers "fantastic preferential rates" at a number of properties, but i dont see their hotel benefits alone as being worth $1500/year. (lots of sofitels, etc) Centurion and some Virtuoso properties also offer confirmed upgrades at time of booking, and combined with discounts, those bookings can REALLY pile on the savings. also look at the Saks WEMC. Suite and Club upgrades at RC, for $0 annual fee. Only problem is its based on Saks spending, and the rewards are Saks gift cards. :p but we will see more new WEMC and other cards following suit in the future.
i thought the only difference between Hilton Gold and Diamond was guaranteed availability?
IIRC the only programs with suite upgrades in T&C are >
-Starwood Platinum
-Intercontinental Royal Ambassador
-Shangri-La Golden Circle Elite
Starwood Platinum would be another thing possible for the $5K card, if Starwood offers the same $500 fee per cardholder they offered Centurion, and CITI takes them up on that. That would be a huge coup for CITI, although I'd personally prefer IC over Starwood.
as you mentioned, airline statuses are another thing that would directly compete with Centurion, and no one else currently offers them.
i hope some of the people at CITI reading this are actually decisionmakers.
K...
On Hilton Gold vs. Diamond,
1. Diamond gets a better bonus
2. Diamond has (almost) guaranteed reservations
3. Diamond has special treatment at some hotels like the Waldorf=Astoria, e.g. a special reception, full breakfast coupons for Oscars restaurant, and room upgrades (even on reward stays in my experience)
At other properties I rarely receive noteworthy upgrades. Maybe other Diamonds are more charming than I am. If I lost Diamond status, I would not be too worried about it.
On Airline Status...
Three other cards offer noteworthy airline status benefits:
1. Merrill+ - Status match on AA
2. AMEX DL Platinum - Up to 20,000 status qualifying miles per year
3. CO Presidential Plus Chase Visa - Offers status qualifying miles
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awake_at_midnight, thanks for clarifying that.
mia, even if you dont attach value to upgrades, (which i understand, and can certainly appreciate) you have to recognize the savings the discounted rates can get you.
DLX Suite @ Pen BKK for $370 instead of $450, plus FHR benefits
base room @ Trump NY for $495 instead of $700, plus FHR benefits
2BR (after upgrade) @ Skylofts for $600, including tax
guaranteed 4PM checkout is also a pretty solid benefit
also, as anaggie said, status match isn't status. same with cards that give EQM, which are becoming more common.
Centurion just added VS Gold as a 4th status for US cardholders.
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K....agree with you on the benefits of FHR...but really...how many of these hotels do you stay at all the time? I would think these are for vacations and so forth...so for me it makes no difference...If I really need a suite, I will book it...not depend on a dice throw...especially for a vacation..
For example...I am planning a vacation to Maldives and will go thru my TA in India which will give me a much better rate....I will choose and gaurantee the over water room instead of hoping for an upgrade !!
Also, what good is the VS gold in the US? If I was a centurion member, SPG Plat is worth way more....
And status match is utter BS....I want the status already...whether or I not I meet it is none of their concern...
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i am not on the same level of many in Lux Hotels, but i DO personally prefer to spend less time at higher quality properties, and budget for me means things like staying with family and friends, private rentals, and timeshare exchanges.
IMO it's fairly clear that a $5K card's travel benefits should be focused on luxury travel.
VS Gold is discussed here
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658070
personally I would prefer ICRA for a hotel status (includes confirmed 1-2 category upgrades) although I certainly enjoy Starwood Platinum and Shangri-La Elite as well.
and while I don't need airline status, I would obviously not be opposed to it, unless it was a choice between the hotel statuses above, and airline status.
other than Starwood though, most people would probably rather have airline status, right?
these kinds of benefits were finally added to Chairman (v2) via Entre (and im still curious about the supposed airline upgrades) but still are not enough to interest me personally. if they ever make a $5K card, i will definitely check it out.
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There will not be a citi chairman visa. It will only be an american express or a mastercard. Just thought I would settle that one. I would love to see it be a visa, but it will not happen.
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drbond, can you check the entre site and clarify what was meant by airline upgrades? (that you mentioned way back when)
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I can check the Entre site without a Chairman AMEX. This site is for AMEX Plat. Citi cardholders... All listed benefits are SPECIFICALLY listed for AMEX PLAT CITI, not chairman...
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what the heck? all citi amex?? then it must be REALLY worthless :rolleyes:
maybe theyll have a different level of benefits for chairman?
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I would hope so. . . this seems a little ridic. . .
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Your card determines your access.
To answer your question in the other thread (that needs to die as it is redundant and we don't need 101 threads on the chairman card) It goes like this:
1. Beta conversion
2. Current Cardholders
3. 2M + Private Bank Clients
4. 2M + SB Clients
5. 1M + Clients
6. 500k + Clients
7. 200k + clients
8. 100k + clients
9. SB clients
10. (not open to invitation)
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"The Entre Program will offer upgrades on Airlines..."
is that on the Entre site now? if not, does that mean there is certainly going to be an additional level of benefits for Chairman cardholders?
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what the? the $400 card?
did someone make a mistake?
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If it happened, it was a big mistake. Considering that the option to upgrade or convert to Chairman does not exist on the system. However, sithlord could have a card that I did not check or some extenuating circumstance.
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http://www.destinationhotels.com/axp.php mentions Entre
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what is this "entre"? Can anyone access this? I got to the webpage and it asks for the 1st 6 digits of a CC number....I typed in my chairman and nothing....just hoping to get lucky !!!!
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short answers = new citi amex benefit & yes
skim back in this thread and you will find more information
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If it happened, it was a big mistake. Considering that the option to upgrade or convert to Chairman does not exist on the system. However, sithlord could have a card that I did not check or some extenuating circumstance.
I just tried to convert a PP elite to Chairman and they said it's no longer available.
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Entre is also mentioned here...
http://www.parallaxinfotech.com/default.cfm?URLKey=Entre&bcp=Entre&bcl=2
...with a few screenshots
Australian version of Entre seems to have launched c 2002, USA program could be quite different...
http://www.entre.com/altitudeplatinum/#
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I have access to entre... and have a working 6 digit card (not the chairman you tried)...
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http://www.destinationhotels.com/axp.php mentions Entre
Hello,
This link contains a quick (and crude) way to compare FHR benefits vs. entre benefits:
ENJOY EXCLUSIVE BENEFITS WITH FINE HOTELS & RESORTS
Room upgrade upon arrival, when available
Complimentary daily continental breakfast for two
Four o'clock p.m. late checkout
A special amenity unique to each property
ENJOY EXCLUSIVE BENEFITS WITH ENTRE FROM AMERICAN EXPRESS
Room upgrade upon arrival, when available
Complimentary early check-in and late check-out
If you are an entre member, please click here for more information
Based on the above, it looks like FHR wins. It is certainly possible that on the Entre site there are tons of amazing benefits listed for Destination Hotels & Resorts, but I would guess that since they are mentioning things like an early check in, I would think not. Just my .02.
- SR
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what the heck? all citi amex?? then it must be REALLY worthless :rolleyes:
maybe theyll have a different level of benefits for chairman?
You mean this card?
http://www.citicards.com/cards/wv/cardDetail.do?screenID=927
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You mean this card?
http://www.citicards.com/cards/wv/cardDetail.do?screenID=927
Yes
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I wouldlike more info on the flights.....
it says CX/SQ and Korean Air ... what do you get? Buy one and get one free on an unrestricted ticket?
any help drdave would be appreciated...
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I wouldlike more info on the flights.....
it says CX/SQ and Korean Air ... what do you get? Buy one and get one free on an unrestricted ticket?
any help drdave would be appreciated...
Korean Air
OFFER
Save 30% on First/Business Class tickets to major Asian gateways, including Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Taipei, Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, Bangkok, Singapore, Mumbai, and Ho Chi Minh City.
About Korean Air
Enjoy Korean Air’s attentive service to Asia from the most convenient U.S. gateways (Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Honolulu, Los Angeles, New York-JFK, San Francisco, Seattle, and Washington, DC). Serving more than 90 cities in 30+ countries around the world, Korean Air flies to more destinations from the US to the Pacific Rim, Southeast Asia and China (through Seoul) than any other carrier in the world.
Their new cocoon seats, whether in first or business class, will wrap you in comfort for your entire flight. These private suites feature audio-visual entertainment, work spaces, and, of course, flat sleeper beds for a good night’s rest. You’ll fall asleep in America and wake up refreshed and ready to go in Asia.
HOW TO ACCESS
BY PHONE
Call 1-866-693-6873 to speak with an entré specialist.
OFFER VALID
Valid through December 31, 2007
TERMS & CONDITIONS
Tickets must be purchased and travel must begin between September 1, 2006 and December 31, 2007.
Savings applicable on Korean Air itinerary only. Offer not valid on "R" class. Voluntary refunds will equal the amount actually paid less any portion applicable to the transportation flown. Rerouting permitted provided that the rerouted segment is via Korean Air only, and the rerouted portion is an authorized segment. In the event the return trip requires rerouting on another airline, only a Korean Air airport or ticket office is permitted to reissue the ticket, and the reissued ticket will not be eligible for the 30% savings. Frequent Flyer mileage credit: Applicable mileage will be credited to the eligible passenger's SKYPASS account according to the fare paid. SKYPASS mileage upgrades will be allowed on tickets purchased using this offer. Cardmembers requesting credit in another SKYTEAM Alliance member airline program shall receive mileage credit according to the fare paid. Payment must be made using an American Express® Card.
Cathay Pacific Airways - Economy Class Offer
OFFER
Save 20% on Cathay Pacific Airways’ lowest published roundtrip Economy Class fare from Los Angeles, San Francisco, or New York - JFK to Hong Kong.
About Cathay Pacific Airways - Economy Class Offer
Cathay Pacific Airways, Airline of the Year 2005*, offers the most non-stop flights to Hong Kong from the U.S. with convenient connections to all of Asia. Enjoy world-class service that Cathay Pacific is famous for—comfortable seats, superb Asian and international cuisine, personal TVs and attentive service. Cathay Pacific is a oneworld alliance partner, and passengers traveling on qualifying fares are eligible to earn American Airlines AAdvantage or Asia Miles frequent flyer mileage.
*Cathay Pacific was voted “Airline of the Year 2005” in the world’s largest passenger poll conducted by Skytrax.
HOW TO ACCESS
BY PHONE
Call 1-866-693-6873 to speak with an entré specialist.
OFFER VALID
Valid through December 31, 2007
TERMS & CONDITIONS
20% off Cathay Pacific Airways' lowest available published roundtrip Economy Class fare ("H" class, and if "H" class is not available, the next lowest fare class at time of booking) from Los Angeles, San Francisco, or New York/JFK to Hong Kong. Tickets must be purchased by December 31, 2007 and travel must be completed by January 7, 2008. One way, standby, and waitlisting are not permitted. This offer is non-transferable and not combinable with any other offer, upgrade, discount or promotion unless explicitly stated in writing. Frequent flyer mileage will only be credited based on eligible fare class. To qualify, purchase must be made on a valid Citi® American Express® Card.
Virgin Atlantic Airways
OFFER
Why travel alone? Your companion flies free when you purchase a full-fare Virgin Atlantic Premium EconomySM ticket from any US gateway city to London. Travel as often as you like through December 31, 2007.
About Virgin Atlantic Airways
When the jet age was new and exciting, flying was a glamorous and sexy endeavor. Jet airliners were the exclusive domain of the heroes of business, culture and entertainment. Virgin Atlantic has always been on a mission to bring this glamour back to air travel by treating each flight as a luxurious event in the sky, not just a way to get from point A to point B. Virgin Atlantic flies from nine US gateways to London and the world beyond, and offers three classes of service: Upper Class®, Premium Economy, and Economy. Premium Economy, with dedicated check-in, bigger and wider seats with additional legroom, pre-flight Champagne, and a personal entertainment center, adds up to a decidedly front-of-the-plane experience.
go jet set, go!™
HOW TO ACCESS
BY PHONE
Call 1-866-693-6873 to speak with an entré specialist.
OFFER VALID
Valid through December 31, 2007
TERMS & CONDITIONS
Complimentary companion ticket when a full-fare Virgin Atlantic Premium Economy ticket from any US gateway city to London is purchased. Valid from any Virgin Atlantic USA gateway cities to London: JFK, EWR, BOS, IAD, MIA, MCO, LAS, LAX, SFO. Qualifying published fare: W fare. Both passengers will be booked in S inventory class. Inventory allocation may be limited and may not be available on all flights and dates. W fare rules apply. US originating only. Complimentary ticket must have the same exact itinerary with departure and return on the same flights as the paid ticket, and is subject to all government fees, taxes and charges. Both passengers must travel together on entire itinerary. One complimentary ticket per eligible cardmember traveling. Complimentary tickets have no refund value and do not accrue frequent flyer mileage. Round trip required - not valid on one way tickets. Any deviations or changes in routing by personal choice of cardmember after ticketing will be at cardmember’s expense. Closed to Virgin Atlantic Airways mainline operated flights only – not valid on code share flights. Nonparticipating carriers must be ticketed and priced separately. Refund of the same full-fare passenger ticket must be accompanied by the complimentary ticket. Advance reservations must be ticketed no later than 30 days prior to departure or reservations will be canceled. Reservations made within 30 days must be ticketed within 72 hours after the bookings are made or the reservations will be canceled. Offer not valid with any other promotion, discount, negotiated group rate, or corporate-contracted rate, and is subject to availability. Airlines reserve the right to change or modify program based on an irregular flight operation. Offer valid through December 31, 2007. To qualify, purchase must be made on a valid Citi® American Express® Card.
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so if there is another level for Chairman, maybe it has upgrades too.
but those discounts are nice ^
CITI AX PP card is free. looks like a 3rd free card that ill get and not carry. :)
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so if there is another level for Chairman, maybe it has upgrades too.
but those discounts are nice ^
CITI AX PP card is free. looks like a 3rd free card that ill get and not carry. :)
I think that this program applies to the Citi Platinum AMEX.
Dr. Dave, does this have anything to do with Chairman? Does it apply to other Citi AMEX products?
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At bare minimum it applies to the Citi Amex Plat. As I am not affiliated with Citibank, Citicards, or Amex, I cannot say. Many of the offers stipulate for your "Citi Amex Plat," or something to that effect
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371234 isn't working in the login for entre.
My BIN number is not 3712XX
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the discounts are nice....
20% discount on a "H" fare on CX from LAX-HKG with 21 day purchase is approx $250 RT - not bad...
30% discount on KE in C/J is approx 1500USD...
Not bad at all...
with that discount...I can pay for an IC hotel best flexible rate and get an upgrade for free thru Entre and then maybe another upgrade since I am Ambassador !!!!
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To qualify, purchase must be made on a valid Citi® American Express® Card.
thats VERY clear. IMO it also makes it clear that the new chairman will be AX, and the hope is that they include an additional MC for where AX is not accepted..
also hopefully the chairman will have additional entre benefits beyond these..
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thats VERY clear. IMO it also makes it clear that the new chairman will be AX, and the hope is that they include an additional MC for where AX is not accepted..
also hopefully the chairman will have additional entre benefits beyond these..
well..we do have some sort of speculation that the delay has been because of the MC part...
let us hope that is true....
Addtional benefits would include AC membership, no foreign transaction fees, VIP DESK, maybe AA PLAT??,
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considering they dont have pdfs for any other cards, why would they have them now?
you have to login to view the links...
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Is ANY Citi Amex able to access this? Or just the Platinum?
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To qualify, purchase must be made on a valid Citi® American Express® Card
there is the diamond one and the premier pass one.
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I made a PDF of the airline benefits and sent it to another FT member via email. However, I am traveling for business, and thus, cannot access the file. If you PM me, I'll email you the file from my GMAIL.
On another note, it is my understanding that Entre was developed by AMEX for the PLAT AMEX CITI members. This is not a "new" site per se; however, has been in existance for as long as CITI AMEX PLAT has existed. . . I have no clue, whatsoever if the new Chairman card will reflect a "Centurion" level incarnation of Entre.
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Entre is also mentioned here...
http://www.parallaxinfotech.com/default.cfm?URLKey=Entre&bcp=Entre&bcl=2
If you look at the developer's website (above) it explains Entre.com is an Offer and Experience redemption website provide by American Express and partner banks. I read this to mean that Entre is the way American Express will package a set of benefits for each of the various banks worldwide that issue American Express network cards. This suggests that cards issued by Bank of America, HSBC, GE, Juniper, etc as well as Citi will offer versions.
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Can someone bring clarity to this thread? Specifically:
1. It seems that (a) Entre is a program similar to MasterCard's Priceless.com and (b) American Express is offering it to provide a common set of benefits to AMEX card holders from a variety of card issues. (This would be one way to address the Visa Signature, MC World and MC WorldElite programs.) Is this accurate? Does anyone know which Card Issuers and which cards?
2. Does anyone from Australia use this program? Is it useful?
3. If this program is similar to MC and Visa programs, it may end up tiered in some way, i.e. there would have to be some notion of a "regular" AMEX card vs. a "premium" AMEX card vs. an exclusive AMEX card. Does any one have any insight into this and specifically how it applies to Chairman V2?
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Earliest mention of Entre in connection with Chairman II ...
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6830573&postcount=252
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The only Citi Card that is currently part of Entre is the Citi Platinum AMEX. Other Citi AMEX cards are not part of the program.
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The only Citi Card that is currently part of Entre is the Citi Platinum AMEX. Other Citi AMEX cards are not part of the program.
This is not true. I received a flyer detailing the program benefits, and I am a AAdvantage AMEX holder. I was able to access the website also.
Dave
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I called Citi. They got AMEX on the phone. Supposedly the only card with access is the Citi AMEX Platinum. According to AMEX the other Citi Cards are not eligible. Of course, this may just be back info from them.
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what card are you talking about awake at midnight?
on the web >
-citi diamond p